| chat.freenode.net #tryton log beginning Tue May 3 00:00:02 CEST 2011 | ||
| 2011-05-03 00:00 <cedk> hoRn: it looks like production but it is not :-) | ||
| 2011-05-03 00:01 <hoRn> cedk:Yes. So first i posted in tryton-dev that I will start the production module - but finally I got an other one | ||
| 2011-05-03 00:02 <cedk> hoRn: yes we need to find the good term, it is like production but the result is a service | ||
| 2011-05-03 00:02 <cedk> sharoon: have you idea? | ||
| 2011-05-03 00:02 <hoRn> cedk: It's more conected to the project module - because every request is a project | ||
| 2011-05-03 00:03 <cedk> hoRn: not wrong :-) | ||
| 2011-05-03 00:03 <cedk> hoRn: a task indeed ;-) | ||
| 2011-05-03 00:03 <cedk> hoRn: did you extend the project.work Model? | ||
| 2011-05-03 00:04 <hoRn> cedk, sharoon: let me explian where I'm right now | ||
| 2011-05-03 00:05 <hoRn> puh | ||
| 2011-05-03 00:06 <hoRn> ok: how to explain | ||
| 2011-05-03 00:07 <cedk> hoRn: show the code :-) | ||
| 2011-05-03 00:07 <hoRn> to much - finally 10 modules/extensions | ||
| 2011-05-03 00:08 <cedk> The code is worth a thousands words :-) | ||
| 2011-05-03 00:08 <hoRn> cedk: and I'm scared | ||
| 2011-05-03 00:08 <hoRn> dissing me | ||
| 2011-05-03 00:09 <hoRn> i have put it in german for having better orientation ;) | ||
| 2011-05-03 00:09 <hoRn> ok - i will paste | ||
| 2011-05-03 00:09 <cedk> hoRn: don't paste on irc | ||
| 2011-05-03 00:09 <sharoon> cedk: [out of context] can you have a custom pastie and its link on the topic | ||
| 2011-05-03 00:10 <cedk> hoRn: you can use codereview if you want | ||
| 2011-05-03 00:10 <hoRn> i will take pastie.org? | ||
| 2011-05-03 00:13 <hoRn> shit - muhahaha | ||
| 2011-05-03 00:13 <cedk> sharoon: I don't see the interest | ||
| 2011-05-03 00:13 <cedk> sharoon: anyone is free to use what he wants | ||
| 2011-05-03 00:13 <hoRn> sharoon: take a look at line 4 in http://pastie.org/1858422 | ||
| 2011-05-03 00:16 <sharoon> hoRn: the docstring comes from the sale opportunity module... but i dont see my copyright anywhere ;) | ||
| 2011-05-03 00:17 <hoRn> sorry for that! | ||
| 2011-05-03 00:17 <sharoon> hoRn: but on the code side i think you have used too many globals and the code needs serious improvements. if you need help maybe its better to push to codereview and others could review it | ||
| 2011-05-03 00:18 <hoRn> somewhere - I dont know where - you can generate a project from a sale. module work..... | ||
| 2011-05-03 00:19 <cedk> hoRn: the code looks very very specific | ||
| 2011-05-03 00:20 <hoRn> each product has a bunch of specifications - a product "simple coating" - has a lot of pssible specifications: the employee sells "coating simple" and afterwards he specifies what to do in the production process | ||
| 2011-05-03 00:20 <sharoon> hoRn: agree with cedk, and also the IndustryCoating class line 278 does not have any ancestors | ||
| 2011-05-03 00:21 <hoRn> cedk: yes - this is more than specific - but totaly normal in the "finishing industry" | ||
| 2011-05-03 00:21 <cedk> hoRn: if I understand well, you create a documenent that will generate later some project.work and an sale opportunity | ||
| 2011-05-03 00:22 <hoRn> sale.opportunity I had first - but the business is to fast for this | ||
| 2011-05-03 00:22 <cedk> hoRn: so it could be directly sales | ||
| 2011-05-03 00:23 <hoRn> yes | ||
| 2011-05-03 00:23 <cedk> hoRn: I think it is better with sale :-) | ||
| 2011-05-03 00:25 <cedk> I don't see what could be generic :-( | ||
| 2011-05-03 00:25 <hoRn> cedk: i first have impleted the specification with sharoons sale.opportunity. than the client says: its to much workflow before a project. so I cutted the pre.sale | ||
| 2011-05-03 00:25 <hoRn> there is one thing that could be generic: the idea that a saale genereates a project | ||
| 2011-05-03 00:26 <hoRn> oops | ||
| 2011-05-03 00:26 <cedk> hoRn: yes but it is not so simple, sometime it is the opposite | ||
| 2011-05-03 00:26 <hoRn> cedk: ? | ||
| 2011-05-03 00:27 <cedk> hoRn: you define the project (+ tasks) then you compute a price and finally you sale it | ||
| 2011-05-03 00:30 <cedk> ACTION need to think about it | ||
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| 2011-05-03 00:32 <hoRn> cedk: i have used a other way (inspired by sharoons sale.opportunity) - the product has a many2one specification: f.e. a "website" - but a lot of ways to do it | ||
| 2011-05-03 00:34 <hoRn> first you do a specification: thats the horrible file I pasted (for coating) | ||
| 2011-05-03 00:38 <hoRn> in this specification you talk with the client - lot of communication - change something and so on. from this specification you can do a sale and a project in on click: the product "website" has the price calculated in the specification in sale.line. a project is generated with a link to the specification - so the employees can take a look to the specification an pit timelines on it. the... | ||
| 2011-05-03 00:38 <hoRn> ...product website is unchanged. | ||
| 2011-05-03 00:39 <hoRn> website = coating | ||
| 2011-05-03 00:46 <hoRn> the difference to sharoon idea: you don't generate a opportunity - you generate a specific variant of a product. the hard thing it to hold the information about the specification in all the workflow until bill | ||
| 2011-05-03 00:50 <hoRn> will go to sleep - tomorrow i will catch new clients for the great ERP tryton ;) | ||
| 2011-05-03 00:51 <hoRn> electricity contracts - 'drop selling' is the term I guess .... | ||
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| 2011-05-03 15:42 <tshepang> looking at http://code.google.com/p/tryton/wiki/InstallationOnDebian, I see that mercurial-nested is available from Debian Testing/Unstable | ||
| 2011-05-03 15:42 <tshepang> so no need to use pol there | ||
| 2011-05-03 15:42 <tshepang> *pip | ||
| 2011-05-03 15:42 <cedk> tshepang: no | ||
| 2011-05-03 15:43 <cedk> tshepang: I think we should cleanup all this installation wiki pages because now Tryton is packages for most of the distrib | ||
| 2011-05-03 15:43 <tshepang> huh, the Debian page looks fine | ||
| 2011-05-03 15:44 <tshepang> u say no to what? | ||
| 2011-05-03 15:45 <cedk> tshepang: no need to use pip | ||
| 2011-05-03 15:45 <tshepang> oh, so u agree | ||
| 2011-05-03 15:46 <tshepang> also, is there a need to add anything to .hgrc? | ||
| 2011-05-03 15:46 <tshepang> my setup works without that | ||
| 2011-05-03 15:46 <tshepang> am referring to echo -e "[extensions]\nhgnested=" >> ~/.hgrc | ||
| 2011-05-03 15:47 <cedk> tshepang: that is to enable hgnested | ||
| 2011-05-03 15:47 <tshepang> hgnested works for me without the entry | ||
| 2011-05-03 15:49 <cedk> tshepang: it is strange | ||
| 2011-05-03 15:49 <cedk> tshepang: how did you install it? | ||
| 2011-05-03 15:49 <tshepang> was surprised too | ||
| 2011-05-03 15:49 <tshepang> via apt-get | ||
| 2011-05-03 15:50 <tshepang> maybe it installs the entry eelswhere? | ||
| 2011-05-03 15:51 <cedk> tshepang: perhaps in /etc/mercurial/hgrc | ||
| 2011-05-03 15:51 <tshepang> yeah, /etc/mercurial/hgrc.d | ||
| 2011-05-03 15:51 <cedk> tshepang: you should ask to the package maintainer | ||
| 2011-05-03 15:52 <tshepang> I did a 'dpkg --listfiles mercurial-nested' | ||
| 2011-05-03 15:52 <cedk> I find it is a bad idea from Debian to activate automaticly hg extensions | ||
| 2011-05-03 15:52 <tshepang> file is at /etc/mercurial/hgrc.d/hgnested.rc | ||
| 2011-05-03 15:52 <tshepang> agreed | ||
| 2011-05-03 15:52 <tshepang> it's against upstream philosophy | ||
| 2011-05-03 15:54 <cedk> tshepang: fill a bug :-) | ||
| 2011-05-03 15:54 <tshepang> but thinking about it, if one installs it, he obviously wanna use the extension | ||
| 2011-05-03 15:54 <tshepang> this is different from, say, the extensions that come bundled with mercurial itself | ||
| 2011-05-03 15:54 <tshepang> and hgnested is external | ||
| 2011-05-03 15:54 <cedk> tshepang: your thought doesn't work on multi-use env | ||
| 2011-05-03 15:55 <tshepang> I guess | ||
| 2011-05-03 15:55 <tshepang> it's a trade-off I think | ||
| 2011-05-03 15:55 <cedk> yangoon: ping | ||
| 2011-05-03 15:56 <cedk> dba: ping | ||
| 2011-05-03 15:57 <tshepang> and hgnested is not a dangerous extension, unlike say, purge | ||
| 2011-05-03 15:57 <cedk> tshepang: they are the debian maintainer | ||
| 2011-05-03 15:57 <tshepang> huh? those two, ok | ||
| 2011-05-03 15:57 <cedk> tshepang: it monkey-patch some code of base hg | ||
| 2011-05-03 15:57 <dba> cedk: pong | ||
| 2011-05-03 15:58 <cedk> dba: it seems you have activated hgnested by default in debian package | ||
| 2011-05-03 15:58 <cedk> dba: I think it should be off by default | ||
| 2011-05-03 15:58 <dba> cedk: depends (first of all, i've never used hgnested at all, so i've not much clue about it) | ||
| 2011-05-03 15:58 <dba> cedk: debian by default ships stuff enabled (unless it doesn't make sense at all); | ||
| 2011-05-03 15:59 <dba> if it makes no sense at all, i can't say. yangoon would be best to say imho. | ||
| 2011-05-03 15:59 <nicoe> in /etc/mercurial/hgrc.d/hgext.rc no extension is activated by default | ||
| 2011-05-03 15:59 <cedk> dba: I don't have a Debian but nicoe tells me he has a lot of hg extensions installed and any are activated by default | ||
| 2011-05-03 16:00 <cedk> dba: hgnested monkey-patch some hg commands | ||
| 2011-05-03 16:00 <cedk> dba: so it can break stuff or be incompatible with other extensions | ||
| 2011-05-03 16:00 <cedk> dba: for me it is safer to let the user activate it where he wants | ||
| 2011-05-03 16:01 <dba> cedk: the debian rule in general is 'user installs $package, therefore he wanted it' | ||
| 2011-05-03 16:02 <dba> cedk: i'll prefere to hear yangoon first, before disabling it. | ||
| 2011-05-03 16:02 <dba> +opinion | ||
| 2011-05-03 16:02 <cedk> dba: it is strange because it is system-wide activated but you need perhaps only for specific usage | ||
| 2011-05-03 16:02 <cedk> dba: no problem I can live with that (as I'm not a Debian user :-) | ||
| 2011-05-03 16:02 <dba> :) | ||
| 2011-05-03 16:02 <tshepang> I'm also for disablement | ||
| 2011-05-03 16:03 <tshepang> it's easy enough to enable it I think | ||
| 2011-05-03 16:03 <cedk> tshepang: yes it is standard way for hg | ||
| 2011-05-03 16:03 <tshepang> and now it leads to surprised ppl like me, that why does it work | ||
| 2011-05-03 16:03 <cedk> dba: by the way, have you some hint for the Fondation ? | ||
| 2011-05-03 16:03 <tshepang> when I didn't enable it | ||
| 2011-05-03 16:04 <cedk> dba: the advantage to make it in Switzerland? | ||
| 2011-05-03 16:04 <dba> cedk: sorry.. i'm hesitant just because i'm not competent with hg/hg workflow etc. i'm ignorantly living in a git only world :( | ||
| 2011-05-03 16:04 <tshepang> note that a monster like postgresql is also enabled to start on boot-up | ||
| 2011-05-03 16:04 <dba> cedk: the downside: you need one person in the board with a permanent resident in .ch; | ||
| 2011-05-03 16:04 <tshepang> also stuff like apache2 and ssh-server | ||
| 2011-05-03 16:04 <tshepang> in Debian | ||
| 2011-05-03 16:05 <dba> cedk: the advantage: no legal costs, no other costs (well, one time 400CHF if you want to have a 'qualified' status), no taxes (unless you have more than 60'000CHF on the account), | ||
| 2011-05-03 16:06 <tshepang> dba, I'm curious why u decided to use git for Debian packaging | ||
| 2011-05-03 16:06 <tshepang> esp since upstream uses hg | ||
| 2011-05-03 16:06 <dba> cedk: and if you pay taxes, they are by the lowest in europe (in particulary, taxes on funds are probably the lowest in europe) | ||
| 2011-05-03 16:06 <nicoe> I think the procmail package is not enabled by default in debian | ||
| 2011-05-03 16:06 <dba> tshepang: because i'm using the same packaging workflow (with git) for all my other packages | ||
| 2011-05-03 16:07 <cedk> dba: the bad part is the requirement of local resident :-( | ||
| 2011-05-03 16:07 <dba> nicoe: procmail would touch $home | ||
| 2011-05-03 16:07 <nicoe> correction not procmail but fetchmail | ||
| 2011-05-03 16:07 <tshepang> so u dont get issues with dealing with the git hg equivalent? | ||
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| 2011-05-03 16:08 <nicoe> If you want to use fetchmail system-wide you have to enable it that way | ||
| 2011-05-03 16:08 <dba> nicoe: never used fetchmail, but wouldn't that require mail sever configuration first? | ||
| 2011-05-03 16:08 <dba> tshepang: my 'input' is the release tarballs, not the hg repository. | ||
| 2011-05-03 16:08 <tshepang> oh, ok | ||
| 2011-05-03 16:08 <nicoe> I stop using it 5 years ago and I think that it delivered to exim which trigger procmail | ||
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| 2011-05-03 16:42 <tshepang> whe doing module update on front-end, does it do an 'hg npull for' me? | ||
| 2011-05-03 16:42 <cedk> tshepang: no | ||
| 2011-05-03 16:43 <tshepang> does it get some tarballs somewhere? | ||
| 2011-05-03 16:44 <cedk> tshepang: no | ||
| 2011-05-03 16:44 <cedk> tshepang: it is just update the database according to the code | ||
| 2011-05-03 16:44 <tshepang> huh? | ||
| 2011-05-03 16:51 <tshepang> cedk, I know not what ya mean | ||
| 2011-05-03 16:51 <nicoe> You can have changed the xml file and stuff like that, so doing an update will update (;)) this information | ||
| 2011-05-03 16:54 <tshepang> oh, I see | ||
| 2011-05-03 17:20 <tshepang> amazing what one can do with gtk; I always considered it rigid, certainly more than web interfaces I've seen | ||
| 2011-05-03 17:20 <tshepang> this GUI of tryton is quite nifty | ||
| 2011-05-03 17:20 <tshepang> great work | ||
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| 2011-05-03 17:50 <tshepang> is there a way to add self to roundup nosy list without typing out my whole username? | ||
| 2011-05-03 17:54 <tshepang> oh I see, I have to click on list, then search my name... not so intuitive | ||
| 2011-05-03 18:06 <tshepang> should this bug not be closed https://bugs.tryton.org/roundup/issue1754? | ||
| 2011-05-03 18:09 <cedk> tshepang: I made a post on the mailing list to deprecate tryton-dev | ||
| 2011-05-03 18:09 <cedk> tshepang: I'm waiting for more reaction | ||
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| 2011-05-03 21:48 <yangoon> anyone running tryton on python2.7? | ||
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