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| 2011-03-03 12:44 <cedk> what do you think about this new GUI design: http://tinypic.com/r/ekrtd1/7 | ||
| 2011-03-03 12:47 <bechamel> cedk: nice, what about putting the button bar above the model title (IE just under the tabs) ? | ||
| 2011-03-03 12:48 <cedk> bechamel: I find it is more logical to have tab with title and title close to each others | ||
| 2011-03-03 12:48 <cedk> bechamel: and buttons close to search buttons | ||
| 2011-03-03 12:48 <cedk> bechamel: I tried but it looks a little strange | ||
| 2011-03-03 12:50 <cedk> bechamel: SyntaxError: "except Exception as e" | ||
| 2011-03-03 12:50 <cedk> bechamel: there is still some people that uses Python 2.5 :-) | ||
| 2011-03-03 12:51 <bechamel> cedk: ? | ||
| 2011-03-03 12:52 <cedk> bechamel: this syntax doesn't work on 2.( | ||
| 2011-03-03 12:52 <cedk> bechamel: this syntax doesn't work on 2.5 | ||
| 2011-03-03 12:52 <cedk> bechamel: from http://www.b2ck.com/~bch/hg/hgwebdir.cgi/tryton_tdp/ | ||
| 2011-03-03 12:52 <cedk> bechamel: itertools.product is only 2.6 | ||
| 2011-03-03 12:55 <cedk> bechamel: AttributeError: 'property' object has no attribute 'setter' | ||
| 2011-03-03 12:55 <cedk> bechamel: i will fix all those 2.5 issue and send you a patch | ||
| 2011-03-03 12:55 <bechamel> cedk: ok | ||
| 2011-03-03 12:59 <cedk> bechamel: I think default rec_name search should append % | ||
| 2011-03-03 13:01 <bechamel> cedk: yes, I'm not sure which is better, what if I want an exact match ? | ||
| 2011-03-03 13:01 <bechamel> cedk: it's easy for the user to add an extra % | ||
| 2011-03-03 13:02 <cedk> bechamel: exact match with =... | ||
| 2011-03-03 13:02 <cedk> bechamel: how can I make a = search instead of ilike? | ||
| 2011-03-03 13:04 <bechamel> cedk: ok lets say default will append % at the end and =.. will be an exact mach (I will add it) | ||
| 2011-03-03 13:05 <cedk> bechamel: yes and perhaps prepend % | ||
| 2011-03-03 13:06 <bechamel> cedk: it will kill postgres perf, isn't it ? | ||
| 2011-03-03 13:06 <cedk> bechamel: I think ilike operation should always at least one % | ||
| 2011-03-03 13:06 <cedk> bechamel: perhaps for prepend | ||
| 2011-03-03 13:07 <cedk> bechamel: but you should at least append % if there is no % in the string | ||
| 2011-03-03 13:07 <cedk> ACTION bbl | ||
| 2011-03-03 13:07 <bechamel> cedk: yes | ||
| 2011-03-03 13:12 <yangoon> cedk: I am not really happy with http://tinypic.com/r/ekrtd1/7 | ||
| 2011-03-03 13:13 <yangoon> symbols are a subset of menu items, so belong rather to the menu | ||
| 2011-03-03 13:14 <yangoon> additionaly you are losing the possibity of not-form-related buttons (you already removed the one for requests) | ||
| 2011-03-03 13:17 <yangoon> if we could have 'sensitive' regions in the status bar to e.g. call form requests, I would be totally ok with this | ||
| 2011-03-03 13:18 <yangoon> then I would favor also the display of attachment count in the status bar and I wouldn't need this tool bar at all...;) | ||
| 2011-03-03 13:32 <cedk> yangoon: this toolbar is only relevant for the current tab | ||
| 2011-03-03 13:32 <cedk> yangoon: by the way, I'm thinking about moving the form menu into somewhere in the tab | ||
| 2011-03-03 13:32 <yangoon> cedk: yes that's the problem:if you want also a toolbar for not tab-related items, you have two toolbars | ||
| 2011-03-03 13:33 <yangoon> that's what I mean with: you are losing the possibity of not-form-related buttons | ||
| 2011-03-03 13:35 <cedk> yangoon: I don't want a toolbar for not tab-related items | ||
| 2011-03-03 13:35 <cedk> yangoon: for the request, you can access it from the user menu entry | ||
| 2011-03-03 13:36 <cedk> and by the way, request should be removed in favor of emails | ||
| 2011-03-03 13:37 <yangoon> cedk: you can access all from the menu | ||
| 2011-03-03 13:37 <yangoon> and whether request or email, problem is the same | ||
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| 2011-03-03 13:38 <cedk> yangoon: emails will not be managed by the client | ||
| 2011-03-03 13:39 <yangoon> current toolbar offers two additional features over menu: optical display of waitng requests and more important: attachment count | ||
| 2011-03-03 13:41 <yangoon> if we can move attachment count *and* fast accessibilty to the status bar, there would be no real need for a tollbar for keyboard driven workes | ||
| 2011-03-03 13:41 <yangoon> workers | ||
| 2011-03-03 13:42 <yangoon> for now I still need it to have information about attachments | ||
| 2011-03-03 13:42 <cedk> yangoon: there is still attachment count | ||
| 2011-03-03 13:43 <cedk> yangoon: waiting request are on the bottom | ||
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| 2011-03-03 13:47 <udono> cedk: Are there other benefits beside GUI design to have a toolbar inside the tabs? | ||
| 2011-03-03 13:48 <cedk> udono: for future, I think we will make tabs floatable | ||
| 2011-03-03 13:48 <cedk> udono: so having a toolbar inside will make it easier | ||
| 2011-03-03 13:56 <udono> cedk: does floatble mean drag 'n drop? | ||
| 2011-03-03 13:56 <cedk> udono: yes | ||
| 2011-03-03 13:58 <yangoon> cedk: for a floatable tab it would be indeed essential to have also the menu on the tab | ||
| 2011-03-03 13:59 <yangoon> cedk: wouldn't it be better to postpone such changes until we have floatable tabs? | ||
| 2011-03-03 13:59 <yangoon> for the moment I can only say that it is other behavior than most/all applications I know | ||
| 2011-03-03 14:02 <udono> yangoon: the menu could stay in the application, as far as I understand. | ||
| 2011-03-03 14:02 <yangoon> besides that: what happens if I focuse menu and then click New button? are those buttons really related to the tab? | ||
| 2011-03-03 14:03 <cedk> the menu should stay on the primary window | ||
| 2011-03-03 14:03 <yangoon> udono: does it make sense to have a solitaire tab without menu? | ||
| 2011-03-03 14:03 <cedk> yangoon: buttons only apply to the current tab | ||
| 2011-03-03 14:05 <udono> yangoon: I meant the opposite: Menu and tab container are the main application. | ||
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| 2011-03-03 14:10 <udono> and with the design I am unsure, too. It seems unusual in a way. | ||
| 2011-03-03 14:10 <cedk> yangoon: why postpone? It will change nothing | ||
| 2011-03-03 14:10 <cedk> udono: for me, it is more clean than the current one | ||
| 2011-03-03 14:11 <cedk> udono: you have buttons outside tab that work only inside tab | ||
| 2011-03-03 14:15 <yangoon> cedk: floating tabs are the only argument for me to find it useful to change the current design in this respect | ||
| 2011-03-03 14:16 <yangoon> since we don't have them the design change can very well be backponed for me | ||
| 2011-03-03 14:17 <yangoon> and perhaps better to ask on tryton-dev, too, to have more opinions on this subject | ||
| 2011-03-03 14:17 <udono> cedk: yes, but now we have buttons inside tabs on top (tool-bar) and below (actions/reports/wizards)... | ||
| 2011-03-03 14:17 <cedk> yangoon: it goes with the DnD in Tree and the new menu design | ||
| 2011-03-03 14:18 <cedk> udono: and? | ||
| 2011-03-03 14:18 <cedk> udono: more logical | ||
| 2011-03-03 14:18 <bechamel> cedk: are you thinkink about dropping "form" on the main menu ? | ||
| 2011-03-03 14:19 <cedk> bechamel: yes | ||
| 2011-03-03 14:19 <cedk> bechamel: working on it but did not yet find a good place | ||
| 2011-03-03 14:19 <cedk> yangoon: discuss on ML will come when things will be clearly defined | ||
| 2011-03-03 14:19 <bechamel> cedk: imo we should find a way to hide the less used/usefull buttons | ||
| 2011-03-03 14:20 <bechamel> ACTION thinks to much buttons makes the user an confused boy | ||
| 2011-03-03 14:20 <udono> cedk: ... for me it looks half-backed, sorry. | ||
| 2011-03-03 14:20 <bechamel> s/an/a/ | ||
| 2011-03-03 14:21 <cedk> udono: don't understand | ||
| 2011-03-03 14:22 <bechamel> cedk: half-backed means there still work to do | ||
| 2011-03-03 14:22 <cedk> bechamel: udono: yes but what? | ||
| 2011-03-03 14:25 <udono> cedk: I'm unsure and it is not easy, because I lack of a vision/conception of a perfect GUI. | ||
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| 2011-03-03 14:41 <cedk> udono: first there is no perfect GUI :-) | ||
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| 2011-03-03 14:49 <udono> cedk: :-) | ||
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| 2011-03-03 15:29 <cedk> new version with Form menu in tab http://tinypic.com/r/ndtt2w/7 | ||
| 2011-03-03 15:31 <bechamel> cedk: does this menu appear when the last button of the button bar is clicked ? | ||
| 2011-03-03 15:32 <cedk> bechamel: yes on the arrow | ||
| 2011-03-03 15:33 <bechamel> cedk: maybe we should find a better icon | ||
| 2011-03-03 15:33 <cedk> bechamel: there is no icon | ||
| 2011-03-03 15:35 <bechamel> cedk: what about dropping some icon now (the corresponding actions are now availaible in the down arrow) ? | ||
| 2011-03-03 15:36 <bechamel> like report, wizard, search | ||
| 2011-03-03 15:36 <bechamel> I never click on them | ||
| 2011-03-03 15:36 <cedk> bechamel: because you are an advanced user | ||
| 2011-03-03 15:37 <cedk> bechamel: I never click on any of those buttons | ||
| 2011-03-03 15:39 <bechamel> cedk: next step : drop main menu and replace it with a unique button in rigth of the tab-bar (ala chrome) :) ! | ||
| 2011-03-03 15:47 <cedk> bechamel: don't agree :-) | ||
| 2011-03-03 15:48 <cedk> bechamel: this design makes client no more usable with keyboard only | ||
| 2011-03-03 15:58 <bechamel> cedk: what if the button just hide/unhide the top menu :p | ||
| 2011-03-03 16:04 <cedk> bechamel: it doesn't take very much space | ||
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