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| cedk | ACTION wish people will actually learn the forum format and check the rendering | 08:18 |
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| pokoli | cedk: maybe we should add some link to https://meta.discourse.org/t/discourse-new-user-guide/96331 | 08:32 |
| cedk | pokoli: it is a lost cause, I have been editing post of the same users over and over | 08:33 |
| cedk | people are just lazy and do not care | 08:34 |
| pokoli | I've been posting from my phone last days and I see there are a lot of typos you and dave fixed. Thanks for that | 08:34 |
| pokoli | cedk: so if they do not care we should not care also | 08:35 |
| Hirschbeutel | To be fair: We also had to learn first that formatting is an essential element for clarity | 08:36 |
| cedk | pokoli: the forum is our common knowledge if we do not care of it, it will become pointless | 08:38 |
| pokoli | then I think we should have the guide, and flag posts (without hiddin them) to make the users aware about the formating | 08:40 |
| cedk | pokoli: there is already an onboarding guide in standard | 08:40 |
| pokoli | So intead of editing for them, we make them aware of the best practices and that they should follow | 08:40 |
| pokoli | cedk: I guess most of people do not read the guide | 08:41 |
| cedk | pokoli: when editing they get notified so they should learn from it | 08:41 |
| pokoli | cedk: then the only option is punishment: After some wrong posts if they do not edit we should flag and ask them to use the right format to contribute on the formum | 08:42 |
| pokoli | it's moreless that we are doing with code, if a patch does not follow pep8 we do not include them (and we adapt it latter if required) | 08:43 |
| pokoli | I do not see more options there | 08:43 |
| cedk | pokoli: problem is to keep track of that per user | 08:44 |
| cedk | for now usually I just fix the formatting but if it is a support I do not answer directly even if I know | 08:45 |
| cedk | to keep track there is on the user profile the notification per edits | 08:46 |
| cedk | this can give some hint | 08:47 |
| Hirschbeutel | cedk: why not sending a Notification: "Hi, like your post but I start crying reading it' - positive feedback? | 08:47 |
| pokoli | cedk: There is an option to add a staff notice to the post, so the users knows | 08:47 |
| pokoli | https://meta.discourse.org/t/discourse-moderation-guide/63116 | 08:48 |
| Hirschbeutel | cedk: because if you are editing the user never will learn it. | 08:48 |
| Hirschbeutel | ACTION funny that as a slob, badly formatted code now bothers me too | 08:50 |
| pokoli | cedk: on the other hand, we may start using the Lounge (which is restricted to moderators) to discuss this features | 08:51 |
| htgoebel | Good Morning, | 08:56 |
| htgoebel | my model has a "active" field. How can I make this True by default? | 08:56 |
| htgoebel | (I tried default_active, but this this not work for me) | 08:56 |
| pokoli | htgoebel: this is managed by DeactivableMixin automatically, you do not need to care | 08:56 |
| htgoebel | IC. thnx. I added the field myself instead of using DeactivableMixin | 08:57 |
| cedk | pokoli: Lounge is not restricted to moderator but to level 3, it is Staff that is | 09:09 |
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| cedk | htgoebel: why are you removing me from the nosy list? | 12:47 |
| htgoebel | cedk: Not intentionally. | 12:54 |
| cedk | htgoebel: you just ignore the warning of the application! | 12:55 |
| htgoebel | cedk: I might not have read the warning in all detailes | 12:56 |
| htgoebel | cedk: Obviously roundup's conflict resolution could be improved :-) | 12:57 |
| cedk | htgoebel: it is always the fault of others | 12:59 |
| cedk | ACTION last comment | 12:59 |
| htgoebel | cedk: "No special case" means: tracebacks are always output, even if the error is handled? | 13:00 |
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| cedk | htgoebel: there is no point to fill and discuss such thing as long as there is no patch submitted (following our process) | 13:11 |
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| pokoli | htgoebel: how we will know which attribute to fix without the traceback? | 13:22 |
| pokoli | htgoebel: in your case you wrote a "sequenc" attribute while it should probably be "sequence" | 13:23 |
| pokoli | I read all this inforamtion for the traceback and I will miss without them | 13:23 |
| pokoli | This is extremly usefull when helping users on the forum | 13:23 |
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| htgoebel | pokoli: I totally agree on tracebacks being extremely useful for debugging. | 14:10 |
| htgoebel | Anyhow in this case a very useful error message is logged just above the traceback already. | 14:10 |
| htgoebel | So the error case is handled and even converted into a very useful message. You can see this in https://bugs.tryton.org/issue10144#msg65067, which I just added for the records.) | 14:10 |
| htgoebel | I did not recognize this error message due to this *long* traceback - and this is why I did not put it into the issue at the first place. | 14:10 |
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| pokoli | htgoebel: IIUC the problem is that the error message is duplicated? | 14:20 |
| pokoli | htgoebel: i'm unable to reproduce the issue.... | 14:33 |
| udono | htgoebel: https://bugs.tryton.org/issue10144#msg65066 | 15:20 |
| htgoebel | pokoli: I'm going to try creating a reproducible case - will take some day, though. | 15:49 |
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| pokoli | htgoebel: It's always good to have some steps to reproduce when creating a bug so others can easly reproduce | 15:50 |
| pokoli | Sincerly, when I go for fixing bugs I always pick the ones that are easier to reproduce for me | 15:50 |
| pokoli | because I prefer to spend my free time coding than reproducing strange bugs :) | 15:51 |
| htgoebel | pokoli: Fair enough :-) | 15:51 |
| htgoebel | pokoli: This is no urgent anyway, which is by I filed it as "feature" | 15:52 |
| pokoli | htgoebel: if not urgent better to take your time to create a complete bug report ;) | 15:59 |
| pokoli | htgoebel: you have to note that once you hit the create bug I get a mail on my mailbox which has a high change of been read on the same day :) | 16:00 |
| htgoebel | pokoli: Will do next time. Thanks for nagging :-) | 16:09 |
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