| chat.freenode.net #tryton log beginning Tue Jun 6 00:00:01 CEST 2017 | ||
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| 2017-06-06 10:44 <sisalp> hello, I can't find the form to set stock rules on a product. Can someone help me ? | ||
| 2017-06-06 10:45 <sisalp> (working as admin on demo.tryton.org) | ||
| 2017-06-06 10:47 <cedk> sisalp: stock_supply is not activated on demo | ||
| 2017-06-06 10:52 <sisalp> cedk: will stock_supply care about scheduling production orders too ? | ||
| 2017-06-06 10:52 <pokoli> sisalp: then you have you use stock_supply_production :) | ||
| 2017-06-06 11:00 <sisalp> cedk: pokoli: thank you, done. I have now an order point menu in stock | ||
| 2017-06-06 11:01 <sisalp> cedk: pokoli: if I set an order point <produce>, which BOM will be used ? | ||
| 2017-06-06 11:02 <sisalp> cedk: pokoli: (if several BOMs have this product in output list | ||
| 2017-06-06 11:02 <sisalp> ) | ||
| 2017-06-06 11:04 <pokoli> sisalp: the first one will be used (there is a sequence to order boms) | ||
| 2017-06-06 11:06 <pokoli> sisalp: the user can change latter if required | ||
| 2017-06-06 11:07 <sisalp> pokoli: ok | ||
| 2017-06-06 11:08 <sisalp> pokoli: can a bom include a kind of package of inputs which is not a stockable sub-product, but developped at production level ? (sub-BOM) | ||
| 2017-06-06 11:09 <pokoli> pokoli: yes, it can include any good product | ||
| 2017-06-06 11:09 <sisalp> pokoli: but will scheduling check that sub-package is available before starting production ? | ||
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| 2017-06-06 11:17 <pokoli> sisalp: if not available it will create the production request to produce it | ||
| 2017-06-06 11:18 <pokoli> sisalp: stock_supply is a recursive process, so whenever a new move is created (internal or production) the order points are rechecked in order to create new requeriments | ||
| 2017-06-06 11:23 <sisalp> pokoli: so Tryton doesn't support multi-level boms ? | ||
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| 2017-06-06 11:27 <pokoli> sisalp: yes | ||
| 2017-06-06 11:28 <pokoli> sisalp: once you have defined the bom for the product and the bom for the components, you can see it on the BOMTree relation option for products | ||
| 2017-06-06 11:36 <sisalp> pokoli: yes it does or yes it doesn't ? | ||
| 2017-06-06 11:36 <pokoli> sisalp: yes it does | ||
| 2017-06-06 11:37 <sisalp> pokoli: so I can get a single production order for the BOM subtree ? | ||
| 2017-06-06 11:38 <pokoli> sisalp: no, you will get (at least) one production order for each level of the tree | ||
| 2017-06-06 11:40 <sisalp> pokoli: which is not multi-level BOM iiuc. | ||
| 2017-06-06 11:41 <cedk> sisalp: you are talking about phantom BOM | ||
| 2017-06-06 11:45 <sisalp> cedk: yes but no only. Phantom would be a solution for most cases | ||
| 2017-06-06 11:46 <sisalp> cedk: schedule the whole production at once allows to plan resource availability and determine the lead time. don't you think ? | ||
| 2017-06-06 11:51 <sisalp> cedk: regarding multi-level, can I explode the top-level BOM and get all the componenets and ra material of a product ? | ||
| 2017-06-06 11:51 <sisalp> s/ra/raw/ | ||
| 2017-06-06 11:52 <pokoli> sisalp: with current implementation, all the productions will be correctly scheduled using lead times | ||
| 2017-06-06 11:53 <pokoli> sisalp: that's the bom tree option that I was talking before | ||
| 2017-06-06 11:59 <sisalp> pokoli: I think you understand that the two methodes are not the same and don't provide the same result. | ||
| 2017-06-06 12:01 <sisalp> pokoli : we discuss a tree of flat BOMs vs a tree of elements in a BOM | ||
| 2017-06-06 12:02 <sisalp> pokoli: cedk: whatever it is, is there a risk of conflict in the design if other features are added later ? | ||
| 2017-06-06 12:03 <sisalp> pokoli: cedk: or would a complement require a re-design of the module ? | ||
| 2017-06-06 12:03 <pokoli> sisalp: AFAIU nothing prevents you to define all the raw materials in a single bom (producing a flat BOM) | ||
| 2017-06-06 12:05 <pokoli> sisalp: but then, I miss some way to know, which components should be combinened together to produce other parts | ||
| 2017-06-06 12:06 <sisalp> pokoli: If I need stockable sub-products, the current solution is OK | ||
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| 2017-06-06 12:09 <sisalp> pokoli: the case I raise is when you cannot built a subcomponent separatly from the whole. There you only have flat BOMs iiuc | ||
| 2017-06-06 12:21 <cedk> sisalp: phantom BOM should not be difficult to implement | ||
| 2017-06-06 12:22 <sisalp> by the way, I'm not sure about the difference between multi-level and phantom BOM. Seems phantom is a way to build lines of multi-level BOMs and explode them. | ||
| 2017-06-06 12:32 <cedk> sisalp: what do you named exacly multi-level? | ||
| 2017-06-06 12:33 <sisalp> cedk: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_of_materials | ||
| 2017-06-06 12:34 <sisalp> cedk: and another product : https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/dynamics365/operations/supply-chain/production-control/bill-of-material-bom | ||
| 2017-06-06 12:36 <sisalp> cedk: it results for me a single production order scheduled when all components and sub-components of all children boms are available. | ||
| 2017-06-06 12:39 <cedk> sisalp: this is just the view pokoli was talking about | ||
| 2017-06-06 12:39 <cedk> sisalp: it has no implication on the production orders | ||
| 2017-06-06 12:40 <sisalp> cedk : why ? | ||
| 2017-06-06 12:41 <cedk> sisalp: it is the definition, it talks only about BoM | ||
| 2017-06-06 12:42 <sisalp> cedk : do you mean we could use several BOMs is a PO ? | ||
| 2017-06-06 12:45 <cedk> sisalp: no | ||
| 2017-06-06 12:48 <sisalp> cedk: so why "it has no implication on the production orders" ? | ||
| 2017-06-06 12:57 <cedk> sisalp: definition: "it provides a display" | ||
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| 2017-06-06 13:15 <sisalp> cedk: so if we group in a PO production of children with no outputs and parent, we get the result. Is it what you suggest ? | ||
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| 2017-06-06 13:39 <cedk> sisalp: yes that's what I call phantom BoM | ||
| 2017-06-06 13:45 <sisalp> cedk: in conclusion, the BOM tree displays multi-levels and a yet-to-add phantom BOM would allow grouping productions. I feel comfortable with this after this discussion. | ||
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| 2017-06-06 15:25 <sisalp> hi, is scheduler active on demo ? | ||
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| 2017-06-06 15:52 <cedk> sisalp: no | ||
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