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| 2014-02-10 15:37 <pokoli> cedk: ping | ||
| 2014-02-10 15:38 <cedk> pokoli: pong | ||
| 2014-02-10 15:39 <pokoli> cedk: about the sepa_creditor_identifier I was wrong, and it's only required for the company party. So the module is ok | ||
| 2014-02-10 15:39 <pokoli> cedk: but i have another concern, about parties of the sepa file | ||
| 2014-02-10 15:40 <pokoli> cedk: because presenter can be diferent than the party | ||
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| 2014-02-10 15:41 <cedk> pokoli: what is presenter? | ||
| 2014-02-10 15:42 <pokoli> cedk: the person or company that generates the file | ||
| 2014-02-10 15:43 <cedk> pokoli: what is the use case? | ||
| 2014-02-10 15:43 <pokoli> cedk: so the owner of the company can be the presenter himself, and the entity which gets the payment is the company | ||
| 2014-02-10 15:45 <pokoli> cedk: the InitgPty tag indicates the presenter, and Cdtr tag indicates the company | ||
| 2014-02-10 15:46 <pokoli> cedk: so with the current design is not possible to use two diferent parties, as always uses the company party | ||
| 2014-02-10 15:47 <cedk> pokoli: I mean a use case of Tryton where it is not the case | ||
| 2014-02-10 15:48 <pokoli> cedk: I don't understand | ||
| 2014-02-10 15:52 <cedk> pokoli: in which case, is it different? | ||
| 2014-02-10 15:54 <pokoli> cedk: it's not required but in Spain it's used for some companies | ||
| 2014-02-10 15:55 <cedk> pokoli: I don't understand the use case? | ||
| 2014-02-10 15:55 <cedk> pokoli: how can you generate a payment base on the accounting of a company but for an other company? | ||
| 2014-02-10 15:55 <pokoli> cedk: it's not another company | ||
| 2014-02-10 15:56 <pokoli> cedk: it's another party, normally a phisical person that generates the file in name of the company | ||
| 2014-02-10 15:57 <cedk> pokoli: you mean the employee? | ||
| 2014-02-10 15:57 <pokoli> cedk: normally it's an owner of the company | ||
| 2014-02-10 15:57 <pokoli> cedk: but can be the administrative person | ||
| 2014-02-10 15:57 <pokoli> cedk: so no every employee but and administrative one | ||
| 2014-02-10 16:03 <cedk> pokoli: could put a property on the Group that returns the company by default | ||
| 2014-02-10 16:04 <pokoli> cedk: that should do the trick for us | ||
| 2014-02-10 16:07 <cedk> pokoli: ok, I will update | ||
| 2014-02-10 16:07 <pokoli> cedk: thanks, another question: it's possible to apply inheritance in templates? or should I create a new one | ||
| 2014-02-10 16:08 <cedk> pokoli: new one | ||
| 2014-02-10 16:09 <pokoli> cedk: So, about sepa_creditor_identifier can be a property also? | ||
| 2014-02-10 16:10 <pokoli> cedk: because we need to change the digits 4-7 depending on the payment journal | ||
| 2014-02-10 16:10 <pokoli> cedk: but i think this is specific to spain | ||
| 2014-02-10 16:14 <cedk> pokoli: I don't see the point, you always generate SEPA for the company | ||
| 2014-02-10 16:15 <pokoli> cedk: digits 4-7 is the suffix, and in spain this is linked to the account | ||
| 2014-02-10 16:16 <pokoli> cedk: so the same company with two diferents accounts and different accounts on it can have different sepa_creditor_identifier | ||
| 2014-02-10 16:16 <cedk> pokoli: I think it is in contradication with the norm because the norm says that ID must be unique and never changed | ||
| 2014-02-10 16:16 <cedk> pokoli: and the ID is linked to the party not the account, bank or whatever | ||
| 2014-02-10 16:17 <cedk> pokoli: because the customer must be able to complain about a transaction even if the company has changed/closed his account | ||
| 2014-02-10 16:18 <pokoli> cedk: I understand your point, but the customer can also identify the customer because the identifier contains it's vat code | ||
| 2014-02-10 16:18 <pokoli> cedk: but let me double check | ||
| 2014-02-10 16:20 <cedk> pokoli: it is not my point, it is the one of the writer of the SEPA norm | ||
| 2014-02-10 16:20 <cedk> that's why I put the ID on the party and not somewhere else | ||
| 2014-02-10 16:22 <pokoli> cedk: but i think it's not linked to the party, it's linked to the bank account | ||
| 2014-02-10 16:22 <pokoli> cedk: digits 5-7 indicates "Creditor Business Code" | ||
| 2014-02-10 16:33 <pokoli> cedk: so what I understand that the same company can have different business codes | ||
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| 2014-02-10 17:04 <cedk> pokoli: ok, I understand but problem is that we don't have a Model to store "business code" | ||
| 2014-02-10 17:05 <pokoli> cedk: in account_payment_es we have this in the bank account, so that's why i was asking for the property :) | ||
| 2014-02-10 17:06 <cedk> pokoli: but business code is not bank account | ||
| 2014-02-10 17:08 <pokoli> cedk: I now, but it is the unique place where we need it. For banking file | ||
| 2014-02-10 17:09 <pokoli> cedk: And I don't know if this code is used on other countries, or they are only filling with ZZZ | ||
| 2014-02-10 17:09 <cedk> pokoli: It is a matter of flavor of the company | ||
| 2014-02-10 17:09 <cedk> I guess companies who managed different businesses will use it | ||
| 2014-02-10 17:11 <cedk> pokoli: I'm thinking about having teh ZZZ code where we get it now and put in place a mechanism to replace the ZZZ base on a context | ||
| 2014-02-10 17:12 <pokoli> cedk: that's what i was thinking when requesting the property | ||
| 2014-02-10 17:13 <cedk> pokoli: is the digit check depends on the business code? | ||
| 2014-02-10 17:14 <pokoli> cedk: no, check digits is independent from bussiness code. The bussiness code is excluded for the validation | ||
| 2014-02-10 17:14 <cedk> pokoli: good so a string replace will work | ||
| 2014-02-10 17:15 <pokoli> cedk: sure | ||
| 2014-02-10 17:15 <pokoli> cedk: if you need more info on the code here is the validation on python-stdnum https://github.com/pokoli/python-stdnum/commit/099078eac6360c547ec7c9c9fe5ff4e5535f96fa | ||
| 2014-02-10 17:46 <cedk> pokoli: I think we should not change the DB design | ||
| 2014-02-10 17:46 <cedk> ACTION will think about a flexible path | ||
| 2014-02-10 17:54 <pokoli> cedk: for me the replace is enough and I agree that we should no change the DB design | ||
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