| chat.freenode.net #tryton log beginning Fri Oct 18 00:00:02 CEST 2013 | ||
| 2013-10-18 12:09 <WUD> Hi, I need help with the model singleton class | ||
| 2013-10-18 12:52 <WUD> Hi | ||
| 2013-10-18 12:52 <WUD> I need some help with Singletons | ||
| 2013-10-18 16:39 <lids> hello | ||
| 2013-10-18 16:40 <lids> is there a way to extract strings from code and make them translatable, like gettext does ? | ||
| 2013-10-18 16:42 <cedk> lids: https://code.google.com/p/tryton/wiki/HowtoTranslate | ||
| 2013-10-18 16:46 <Pilou> lids: cls._error_messages could be used: http://hg.tryton.org/2.8/modules/calendar_scheduling/file/10f880edc13a/calendar_.py#l40 | ||
| 2013-10-18 16:48 <lids> cedk: i can't find a hint about inline strings translation there | ||
| 2013-10-18 16:49 <lids> Pilou: well, i would prefer having the strings extracted and not call them error_messages.. | ||
| 2013-10-18 16:50 <lids> extracted automatically* | ||
| 2013-10-18 16:54 <lids> cedk: i assume the feature is not in tryton. don't you think it would be useful ? | ||
| 2013-10-18 16:58 <cedk> lids: not like that | ||
| 2013-10-18 16:58 <cedk> lids: we just need a generalisation of error message | ||
| 2013-10-18 17:00 <lids> cedk: how would it work? | ||
| 2013-10-18 17:02 <cedk> lids: create record in XML and retrive them by id | ||
| 2013-10-18 17:08 <lids> cedk: if i understand correctly, that would be renaming 'error' type of ir.translation.type into something like 'inline', and having an other model to store the string ? | ||
| 2013-10-18 17:08 <lids> strings* | ||
| 2013-10-18 17:12 <lids> just a new type maybe.. | ||
| 2013-10-18 17:12 <cedk> lids: just rename error into message for example | ||
| 2013-10-18 17:12 <cedk> lids: and stop define them on Model but in XML | ||
| 2013-10-18 17:13 <cedk> lids: and refactoring raise_error | ||
| 2013-10-18 17:15 <lids> cedk: what's the rational not to use gettext instead of storing the string in xml files ? | ||
| 2013-10-18 17:18 <lids> or just extracting them | ||
| 2013-10-18 17:24 <cedk> lids: we have a DB | ||
| 2013-10-18 17:25 <lids> cedk: that's ok, they could be extracted from the modules and stored in the db like other strings | ||
| 2013-10-18 17:26 <lids> i think gettext can do that easily, that's why i'm referencing to it | ||
| 2013-10-18 17:27 <cedk> lids: it will mean link to something and from experience sharing them will improve it | ||
| 2013-10-18 17:27 <cedk> lids: also with xml id, we are sure about the message used instead of string matching | ||
| 2013-10-18 17:27 <cedk> lids: indeed I don't know what you are talking about when using "gettext" | ||
| 2013-10-18 17:30 <lids> cedk: i mean when the user do the 'Set translations', the code is parsed, strings get an id based on the filename, line number and the string, and it gets inserted in the db | ||
| 2013-10-18 17:31 <cedk> lids: no, code is not parsed | ||
| 2013-10-18 17:31 <lids> cedk: we don't need gettext to do that, but it's the library the most used to do such things | ||
| 2013-10-18 17:32 <lids> cedk: s/parsed/loaded into python/ | ||
| 2013-10-18 17:33 <cedk> lids: still I don't know which gettext you are talking about | ||
| 2013-10-18 17:34 <cedk> lids: if you mean the gnu-gettext, it is more DB than anything else | ||
| 2013-10-18 17:34 <lids> cedk: moreover, there is in fact more chance to forget a deprecated string in xml than wen they are extracted | ||
| 2013-10-18 17:35 <lids> cedk: yes i'm talking about gnu-gettext, i'm not saying we need to use it, i'm saying it has features that great :) | ||
| 2013-10-18 17:36 <lids> are+ | ||
| 2013-10-18 17:40 <cedk> lids: for me it leads to bad message translation | ||
| 2013-10-18 17:42 <lids> cedk: in what way ? | ||
| 2013-10-18 17:42 <cedk> lids: it is base on string matching | ||
| 2013-10-18 17:44 <lids> cedk: that's what the fuzzy flag is there for | ||
| 2013-10-18 17:45 <cedk> lids: no it is not his purpose | ||
| 2013-10-18 17:47 <lids> cedk: i don't understand the problem of string matching then.. most free software have pretty good translations with gettext | ||
| 2013-10-18 17:47 <cedk> lids: same string in english could translated differently in other language | ||
| 2013-10-18 17:47 <cedk> lids: ex: "Invoice", it could be the object or the verb | ||
| 2013-10-18 17:48 <cedk> gettext is just a DB with string matching, Tryton has a DB and string matching is not good enough for your usage | ||
| 2013-10-18 17:49 <lids> cedk: ah, the filename and line number of the string is used to differentiate different instances of the same string | ||
| 2013-10-18 17:49 <cedk> lids: if so, how does it work when line change of position ? | ||
| 2013-10-18 17:49 <lids> cedk: fuzzy becomes true iirc | ||
| 2013-10-18 17:50 <lids> cedk: it must be a bit more clevver than that, because line numbers change often | ||
| 2013-10-18 17:51 <cedk> lids: any way, we don't need such DB | ||
| 2013-10-18 17:51 <cedk> lids: come with a good argument | ||
| 2013-10-18 17:51 <cedk> lids: and more over gnu-gettext is not thread safe | ||
| 2013-10-18 17:51 <lids> cedk: sure the db is already there.. i'm talking about extracting the strings | ||
| 2013-10-18 17:52 <lids> 17:35 < lids> cedk: yes i'm talking about gnu-gettext, i'm not saying we need to use it, i'm saying it has features that great :) | ||
| 2013-10-18 17:52 <cedk> lids: so it is not gettext ! | ||
| 2013-10-18 17:52 <cedk> lids: and I say it is not because string matcing | ||
| 2013-10-18 17:58 <lids> cedk: http://www.gnu.org/software/gettext/manual/html_node/xgettext-Invocation.html | ||
| 2013-10-18 17:58 <lids> cedk: i'm talking about such a feature | ||
| 2013-10-18 17:59 <cedk> lids: thanks, I know this | ||
| 2013-10-18 17:59 <lids> cedk: it's just not just string matching as i explained above | ||
| 2013-10-18 17:59 <cedk> lids: no the tools is about string extracting | ||
| 2013-10-18 18:01 <lids> cedk: this one in particular yes, another command handle the string update.. | ||
| 2013-10-18 18:02 <lids> well.. whatever.. | ||
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