| chat.freenode.net #tryton log beginning Fri Oct 4 00:00:02 CEST 2013 | ||
| 2013-10-04 05:32 <iamnoob> anyone up ? | ||
| 2013-10-04 08:36 -!- priyankarani(~priyanka@122.177.183.41) has left #tryton | ||
| 2013-10-04 11:15 <LordVan> hi | ||
| 2013-10-04 11:16 <LordVan> anyone here who uses tryton for project management who could help me find out if it is suitable for what we need (just a few quick questions nothing in-depth) | ||
| 2013-10-04 11:17 <cedk> LordVan: just ask your questions | ||
| 2013-10-04 11:18 <LordVan> ah hey cedk long time no see ;) how you doing these days? | ||
| 2013-10-04 11:18 <LordVan> - and i was just checking someone is actually here atm ;) | ||
| 2013-10-04 11:20 <cedk> LordVan: I'm fine thx | ||
| 2013-10-04 11:21 <LordVan> anyway back to my question ;) | ||
| 2013-10-04 11:21 <LordVan> We currently have all our stuff just as .ods ,... | ||
| 2013-10-04 11:21 <LordVan> which especially for the lists (invoices, offers,...) is of course a pain so I am looking to replace this | ||
| 2013-10-04 11:22 <LordVan> the main problem I see at the moment is projec tmanagement | ||
| 2013-10-04 11:23 <LordVan> We currently have bits of papers which get put in folders to go out to the people who actually do the welding,... | ||
| 2013-10-04 11:23 <LordVan> now we don'T just have one folder per order | ||
| 2013-10-04 11:23 <LordVan> ie we need sheets for e.g. different material, assembly | ||
| 2013-10-04 11:23 <LordVan> ,.. | ||
| 2013-10-04 11:23 <LordVan> so it'S a lot more than just one sheet per order - or even per order pos. | ||
| 2013-10-04 11:24 <LordVan> the sheets also have space for the workers to put in their hours, material they need, .. | ||
| 2013-10-04 11:24 <LordVan> unfortunately it is not really possible to do all this electronical (most workers are just about PC illiterate ) | ||
| 2013-10-04 11:25 <LordVan> so I was wondering if it'd be possible and feasible to generate those sheets (or write the data for them in manually is ok too) and store&print them in the system | ||
| 2013-10-04 11:25 <LordVan> in fact most sheets probably would need to be edited before printing | ||
| 2013-10-04 11:25 <LordVan> and/or split into multiple ones | ||
| 2013-10-04 11:26 <LordVan> (It'S not vital to do this with the system, but would be an interesting way to keep these things as well because as it is now we don't save 99% of those sheets - so the information is only on paper) | ||
| 2013-10-04 11:27 <cedk> LordVan: if you can parse it, you can do what you want with it inside Tryton | ||
| 2013-10-04 11:27 <LordVan> yeah but i'd have to write the module for that myself (or pay someone to do it ^^) I assume | ||
| 2013-10-04 11:27 <LordVan> since this is probably pretty far from "standard" stuff | ||
| 2013-10-04 11:29 <LordVan> cedk, how much work do you think this could - approx. - be ? (I am currently trying to learn my way around using tryton, before I look at the source ;)) | ||
| 2013-10-04 11:29 <cedk> LordVan: yeps, it sounds very specific | ||
| 2013-10-04 11:30 <cedk> LordVan: difficult to say without a complete description of all the workflows | ||
| 2013-10-04 11:31 <LordVan> yeah | ||
| 2013-10-04 11:31 <LordVan> since of course it is also a matter of if it is worth the effort of creating a module | ||
| 2013-10-04 11:32 <LordVan> I am currently trying to wrap my head around using it first -- i never really used any ERP before -- | ||
| 2013-10-04 11:32 <LordVan> and then comes template customization | ||
| 2013-10-04 11:32 <LordVan> ah btw | ||
| 2013-10-04 11:33 <LordVan> cedk, you should set "masters = gentoo" in your layman overlay | ||
| 2013-10-04 11:34 <cedk> LordVan: don't understand | ||
| 2013-10-04 11:34 <LordVan> portage warning | ||
| 2013-10-04 11:34 <LordVan> !!! Repository 'tryton' is missing masters attribute in '/usr/local/portage/layman/tryton/metadata/layout.conf' | ||
| 2013-10-04 11:34 <LordVan> !!! Set 'masters = gentoo' in this file for future compatibility | ||
| 2013-10-04 11:36 <LordVan> I did it the other day for my dev overlay | ||
| 2013-10-04 11:36 <LordVan> http://git.overlays.gentoo.org/gitweb/?p=dev/lordvan.git;a=blob;f=metadata/layout.conf;h=ff4e2f8fbe4c7cabecf0addf3a3a6cd0198f9abe;hb=HEAD | ||
| 2013-10-04 11:36 <LordVan> just one line in metadata/layout.conf | ||
| 2013-10-04 11:36 <LordVan> to get rid of the warning | ||
| 2013-10-04 11:36 <cedk> LordVan: indeed I did not have a metadata folder | ||
| 2013-10-04 11:39 <LordVan> cedk, neither did I ;) | ||
| 2013-10-04 11:39 <LordVan> cedk, just thought i mention it | ||
| 2013-10-04 11:39 <cedk> LordVan: do you know what is the purpose? | ||
| 2013-10-04 11:41 <LordVan> not entirely sure i think for 90% of the overlays masters = gentoo is fine | ||
| 2013-10-04 11:41 <LordVan> but you can probably define that you rely on another overlay too | ||
| 2013-10-04 11:41 <LordVan> like masters = gentoo kde | ||
| 2013-10-04 11:41 <cedk> LordVan: there is a description in the layout.conf of gentoo | ||
| 2013-10-04 11:41 <LordVan> if you rely on stuff in kde overlay | ||
| 2013-10-04 11:41 <LordVan> yes | ||
| 2013-10-04 11:41 <LordVan> i just found that too | ||
| 2013-10-04 11:41 <LordVan> i was reading the manpage first | ||
| 2013-10-04 11:42 <LordVan> interesting idea | ||
| 2013-10-04 11:42 <LordVan> not sure if i'll ever use it | ||
| 2013-10-04 11:42 <LordVan> ;) | ||
| 2013-10-04 11:42 <LordVan> I mean you could say you depend on some python overlay that has your deps in | ||
| 2013-10-04 11:43 <LordVan> then you don't have to mirror them if they are not in the official tree | ||
| 2013-10-04 11:43 <LordVan> *but* you gotta have a trustworthy "master" repo | ||
| 2013-10-04 11:43 <LordVan> ;) | ||
| 2013-10-04 11:43 <cedk> LordVan: fixed | ||
| 2013-10-04 11:43 <LordVan> nice thanks | ||
| 2013-10-04 11:48 <LordVan> I am currently "struggling" a bit wrapping my head around basic usage (since I am not coming from a bookkeeping/financial background I am not even familiar with all the terms used ;)) | ||
| 2013-10-04 11:50 <LordVan> btw | ||
| 2013-10-04 11:50 <LordVan> we use LibreOffice here mostly | ||
| 2013-10-04 11:50 <LordVan> which is fine to open the documents of course | ||
| 2013-10-04 11:50 <LordVan> but does the server still only support openoffice? | ||
| 2013-10-04 11:54 <cedk> LordVan: server doesn't depend on xOffice | ||
| 2013-10-04 11:55 <cedk> LordVan: there is just extra depend on unoconv to make conversion and I think unoconv can work with both | ||
| 2013-10-04 11:55 <LordVan> ah ok | ||
| 2013-10-04 11:55 <LordVan> i didn'T remember exact deps | ||
| 2013-10-04 12:06 <LordVan> what is a good tutorial on how to use tryton (not end-user stuff nto customization,..) ? | ||
| 2013-10-04 12:06 <LordVan> i seem to be not finding much | ||
| 2013-10-04 12:07 <cedk> LordVan: there is the training module: http://hg.tryton.org/2.6/ | ||
| 2013-10-04 12:07 <LordVan> (the module docs on tryton.or are nto really what i am looking for) | ||
| 2013-10-04 12:07 <cedk> LordVan: it is a mq repo with step by step | ||
| 2013-10-04 12:07 <cedk> LordVan: not yet updated to 2.8 | ||
| 2013-10-04 12:07 <LordVan> ah ok i did look through 2.8 stuff | ||
| 2013-10-04 12:07 <LordVan> and not find anything ;) | ||
| 2013-10-04 12:08 <LordVan> ah mercurial .. | ||
| 2013-10-04 12:08 <cedk> LordVan: the description explain how to use it | ||
| 2013-10-04 12:08 <LordVan> forgot you use that ;) | ||
| 2013-10-04 12:08 <LordVan> I quite regularily use cvs (gentoo), svn, git(gentoo overlay) . at some point i gotta read up on mercurial too ;) | ||
| 2013-10-04 12:08 <LordVan> nice | ||
| 2013-10-04 12:09 <LordVan> I have to say i got quite fond of git atm | ||
| 2013-10-04 12:10 <LordVan> cedk, are there big changes (in UI and usage) between 2.6 and 2.8 ? | ||
| 2013-10-04 12:11 <cedk> LordVan: http://www.tryton.org/posts/new-tryton-release-28.html | ||
| 2013-10-04 12:11 <LordVan> cedk, i assume just downloading the training repo zip file will do as well (on a windows box without much dev tools atm) | ||
| 2013-10-04 12:12 <LordVan> cedk, thx i forgot about that - I read it at some point | ||
| 2013-10-04 12:13 <cedk> LordVan: each mq commit is a new step which brings new feature to the module | ||
| 2013-10-04 12:13 <cedk> LordVan: it goes from basic to complex | ||
| 2013-10-04 12:13 <LordVan> ic | ||
| 2013-10-04 12:13 <cedk> LordVan: I would like to write a doc about it | ||
| 2013-10-04 12:14 <LordVan> you guys gonna be @fosdem by any chance? | ||
| 2013-10-04 12:16 <cedk> LordVan: it is highly probable | ||
| 2013-10-04 12:16 <cedk> LordVan: we go almost each year | ||
| 2013-10-04 12:16 <LordVan> cedk, i am considering going again | ||
| 2013-10-04 12:16 <LordVan> met up with the gentoo bunch 2 years ago there i think | ||
| 2013-10-04 12:16 <LordVan> you going as guests or also doing talk(s) ? | ||
| 2013-10-04 12:18 <cedk> LordVan: normally as guests but I know there will be a Python room so maybe we will submit a talk | ||
| 2013-10-04 12:18 <LordVan> nice | ||
| 2013-10-04 12:19 <LordVan> that'D be cool | ||
| 2013-10-04 12:19 <LordVan> anyway we could also go for a beer/coffe/.. ;) | ||
| 2013-10-04 12:19 <cedk> LordVan: of course | ||
| 2013-10-04 12:19 <cedk> about ERP at Fosdem, I'm not sure it is the right audience but we got some tools like python-sql, relatorio etc. | ||
| 2013-10-04 12:24 <LordVan> yeah erp doesn't really seem like something for typical fosdem audience ;) | ||
| 2013-10-04 14:27 <LordVan> gtg. cya | ||
| 2013-10-04 14:56 <jeancavallo> Hi all. Is there a reason why the default method for rounding is ROUND_HALF_EVEN rather than ROUND_HALF_UP ? I cam accross the currency.round method and I usually see the second as a the standard way | ||
| 2013-10-04 15:21 <cedk> jeancavallo: because ROUND_HALF_EVEN is the most fair | ||
| 2013-10-04 15:29 <cedk> jeancavallo: also what are you example of "standard way"? | ||
| 2013-10-04 15:30 <jeancavallo> cedk: http://ec.europa.eu/economy_finance/publications/publication1224_en.pdf | ||
| 2013-10-04 15:31 <jeancavallo> cedk: Something along http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rounding#Round_half_away_from_zero seems better (1.49 ~ 1 is more intuitive than 1.49 ~ 2 for me) | ||
| 2013-10-04 15:32 <jeancavallo> cedk: Though what i would like to know is if there is a reason for using this particular rounding method | ||
| 2013-10-04 15:32 <cedk> jeancavallo: 1.49 is not rounded to 2 with ROUND_HALF_EVEN | ||
| 2013-10-04 15:33 <cedk> jeancavallo: your document is about the introduction of euro, not about daily use in accounting | ||
| 2013-10-04 15:33 <jeancavallo> cedk: It addresses the specific concern of rounding currencies | ||
| 2013-10-04 15:33 <jeancavallo> and indeed, bad example | ||
| 2013-10-04 15:34 <jeancavallo> cedk: but 2.49 is rounded to 2 isn't it ? | ||
| 2013-10-04 15:36 -!- mrechte(~Thunderbi@37.160.245.95) has left #tryton | ||
| 2013-10-04 15:36 <cedk> jeancavallo: no | ||
| 2013-10-04 15:36 <cedk> jeancavallo: if you want to see ROUND_HALF_EVEN in action: | ||
| 2013-10-04 15:37 <cedk> Decimal('1.5').quantize(Decimal(1), ROUND_HALF_EVEN) == Decimal('2.5').quantize(Decimal(1), ROUND_HALF_EVEN) | ||
| 2013-10-04 15:40 <jeancavallo> cedk: Decimal('2.5').quantize(Decimal(1), ROUND_HALF_EVEN) = 2 | ||
| 2013-10-04 15:41 <jeancavallo> cedk: that's what I would like to see | ||
| 2013-10-04 15:41 <jeancavallo> cedk: But I got 3 | ||
| 2013-10-04 15:41 <jeancavallo> cedk: And that bothers me | ||
| 2013-10-04 15:42 <cedk> jeancavallo: if you got 3, report the issue to Python | ||
| 2013-10-04 15:43 <jeancavallo> cedk: Sry, I mixed up things | ||
| 2013-10-04 15:43 <jeancavallo> cedk: I got 2, but expected 3 | ||
| 2013-10-04 15:44 <jeancavallo> cedk: My point is, X.5 should be rounded to X+1 consistently | ||
| 2013-10-04 15:44 <cedk> jeancavallo: that's what I call unfaire | ||
| 2013-10-04 15:44 <cedk> jeancavallo: if you pay like that your taxes, at the end you will pay much more | ||
| 2013-10-04 15:44 <jeancavallo> cedk: Well, I agree that HALF_EVEN has no bias | ||
| 2013-10-04 15:45 <jeancavallo> cedk: but a lot of people / software round HALF_UP | ||
| 2013-10-04 15:46 <cedk> jeancavallo: not your fault if others are bad | ||
| 2013-10-04 15:49 <cedk> s/your/our/ | ||
| 2013-10-04 15:50 <jeancavallo> cedk: Ok. Thank you for your answer | ||
| 2013-10-04 18:58 -!- vcardon(~vcardon@LNeuilly-152-23-15-185.w193-252.abo.wanadoo.fr) has left #tryton | ||
| 2013-10-04 20:10 -!- vcardon1(~vcardon@LNeuilly-152-23-15-185.w193-252.abo.wanadoo.fr) has left #tryton |
Generated by irclog2html.py 2.17.3 by Marius Gedminas - find it at https://mg.pov.lt/irclog2html/!