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| 2011-08-08 10:14 <sisalp> was there a discussion about .zip modules ? | ||
| 2011-08-08 10:14 <sisalp> I read it is no longer supported | ||
| 2011-08-08 10:14 <sisalp> I think I'll miss it | ||
| 2011-08-08 10:14 <cedk> sisalp: I think | ||
| 2011-08-08 10:15 <cedk> sisalp: https://groups.google.com/d/topic/tryton-dev/YzrpDZotENI/discussion | ||
| 2011-08-08 10:18 <sisalp> thank for the pointer, so I'd need an alternate | ||
| 2011-08-08 10:19 <sisalp> I was opposed to this when it was done on openerp for security reasons, but then I use it a lot | ||
| 2011-08-08 10:19 <bechamel> sisalp: why is it important for you ? | ||
| 2011-08-08 10:20 <sisalp> it was convenient to me in the following situation : | ||
| 2011-08-08 10:20 <sisalp> I host openerp for free, and all free customers share the same virtual server. | ||
| 2011-08-08 10:21 <sisalp> They cannot be granted an ssh access to it | ||
| 2011-08-08 10:21 <sisalp> I don't want to block customization of modules (reports and so on) and don't want to sell management services on free hosting | ||
| 2011-08-08 10:22 <sisalp> so module upload was a trade-off | ||
| 2011-08-08 10:23 <cedk> sisalp: you can still upload module and unzip it | ||
| 2011-08-08 10:23 <sisalp> for tryton, I was thinking to offer the same free service | ||
| 2011-08-08 10:24 <sisalp> cedk what do you mean ? | ||
| 2011-08-08 10:25 <cedk> sisalp: I guess you have an interface to upload zipped modules and put it in addons directory? | ||
| 2011-08-08 10:26 <sisalp> so far I don't | ||
| 2011-08-08 10:28 <sisalp> I imagine this might be a simple module wich would upload a zip, remove the old module and unzip the new one | ||
| 2011-08-08 10:29 <cedk> sisalp: yes something like that | ||
| 2011-08-08 10:29 <cedk> sisalp: but you must be aware that putting not working Tryton module could make the server crashes | ||
| 2011-08-08 10:30 <sisalp> cedk: of course | ||
| 2011-08-08 10:30 <sisalp> cedk: I offer a test server for this | ||
| 2011-08-08 10:31 <cedk> sisalp: do you have a lot of people who upload custom module on your free services? | ||
| 2011-08-08 10:32 <sisalp> cedk: about 30% of those who will use it for production | ||
| 2011-08-08 10:33 <sisalp> cedk: but it is also a question of openness mindset, I'm reluctant to serve a closed service | ||
| 2011-08-08 10:33 <cedk> sisalp: and from where do modules come? | ||
| 2011-08-08 10:34 <bechamel> sisalp: IMO for Tryton this upload feature is less important than for OERP because there are few/no modules available outside the "official" one | ||
| 2011-08-08 10:34 <sisalp> many from extra-addons, some for custom modifications | ||
| 2011-08-08 10:34 <sisalp> in some cases, an integrator has made a module for them | ||
| 2011-08-08 10:35 <sisalp> in OE V5, it was used to modify basic reports | ||
| 2011-08-08 10:37 <sisalp> bechamel: yes for oeV5, oeV6 aims at becomming an "out-of-the-box" solution | ||
| 2011-08-08 10:38 <sisalp> bechamel: by the way, zip modules often do not work in oev6 ;-) | ||
| 2011-08-08 10:38 <cedk> sisalp: because you could also just offer to install via pypi modules | ||
| 2011-08-08 10:38 <bechamel> sisalp: this is a different problem :) | ||
| 2011-08-08 10:39 <cedk> sisalp: because how do you manage modules that requires some Python modules? | ||
| 2011-08-08 10:40 <sisalp> cedk: manually upon request, installed server-wide | ||
| 2011-08-08 10:41 <sisalp> cedk: it happened recently with camp-to-camp reports (webkit) | ||
| 2011-08-08 10:42 <sisalp> cedk: "to install via pypi modules" sounds interesting | ||
| 2011-08-08 10:42 <sisalp> cedk: can you elaborate a bit ? | ||
| 2011-08-08 10:51 <cedk> sisalp: you must write a script that will run on the server the pip command to install | ||
| 2011-08-08 10:51 <cedk> sisalp: indeed you can run the trytond server on a virtual-env | ||
| 2011-08-08 10:52 <cedk> sisalp: http://pypi.python.org/pypi/virtualenv | ||
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| 2011-08-08 12:24 <sisalp> cedk: read a bit and seems clearer. This would solve dependency potential question | ||
| 2011-08-08 12:25 <sisalp> cedk: i don't think a user can upload to pypi his own modules, can he ? and still I'll have to get them for him. right ? | ||
| 2011-08-08 12:26 <nicoe> sisalp: anybody can upload to pypi (but he must register first) | ||
| 2011-08-08 12:27 <nicoe> sisalp: but you can run your own private version of pypi if you want to keep things private | ||
| 2011-08-08 12:27 <sisalp> nicoe: wouldn't thousand of custom modules pollute pypi ? | ||
| 2011-08-08 12:28 <nicoe> That's why I suggested that for per-customer module you would probably want to create your own private version of pypi | ||
| 2011-08-08 12:30 <sisalp> nicoe: this sounds correct | ||
| 2011-08-08 12:32 <sisalp> how secure is pypi ? I mean, can I ensure a package is modified by the author only ? | ||
| 2011-08-08 12:34 <cedk> sisalp: the Tryton module could be an archive with a setup.py that will be run, like that no need to publish this module on PyPI (or clone-like) | ||
| 2011-08-08 12:55 <sisalp> cedk: yes, but in practice, opening Tryton modules to its user and keeping dependency install manual seems ok to me. | ||
| 2011-08-08 12:56 <sisalp> cedk: probably the simplest would be an "module_upload" module, at least at first | ||
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| 2011-08-08 14:17 <peju> good afternoon everbody | ||
| 2011-08-08 14:18 <peju> I have been following the tryton project for a while but I have never deployed it | ||
| 2011-08-08 14:19 <peju> how can I get involved in generating documentation for it? | ||
| 2011-08-08 14:19 <peju> i see from the google group there is some interest in doing this | ||
| 2011-08-08 14:19 <peju> how can i join that effort? | ||
| 2011-08-08 14:19 <peju> thanks | ||
| 2011-08-08 14:33 <udono1> peju: hi | ||
| 2011-08-08 14:34 <peju> hi udono | ||
| 2011-08-08 14:35 <udono1> peju: best is, when you participate the documentation discussion on groups and share your points of view. | ||
| 2011-08-08 14:35 <udono1> peju: It is hard to say where to start, here on the irc | ||
| 2011-08-08 14:36 <udono1> peju: maybe the best is to try to deploy tryton first? | ||
| 2011-08-08 14:47 <peju> well i have a working tryton deployment | ||
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| 2011-08-08 15:15 <peju> what i meant is i havent deployed it for potential clients | ||
| 2011-08-08 15:15 <peju> i would like to but the only thing stopping me is the documentation | ||
| 2011-08-08 15:15 <peju> thats why i would like to get involved in that | ||
| 2011-08-08 15:15 <udono1> peju: ok, understand. | ||
| 2011-08-08 15:20 <peju> udono1: so how do i get involved? :) | ||
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| 2011-08-08 15:34 <udono1> peju: As I read in the groups, the opinions for documentation approaches differ. | ||
| 2011-08-08 15:36 <udono1> peju: My opinion is, to have less, but good and maintainable documentation inside tryton client, trytond and inside each module. | ||
| 2011-08-08 15:37 <udono1> peju: But its hard for me to delegate your power to a specific work. Do you have ideas where you would like to start? | ||
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| 2011-08-08 15:52 <peju> udono: i was thinking about creating a pdf that details how to administer the system | ||
| 2011-08-08 15:52 <peju> udono1: and the major modules | ||
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| 2011-08-08 16:01 <alimon> m | ||
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| 2011-08-08 18:35 <rhubner> Hi cedk! | ||
| 2011-08-08 18:35 <cedk> rhubner: hi | ||
| 2011-08-08 18:36 <rhubner> cedk: I finished the core development of rich_text widget! | ||
| 2011-08-08 18:37 <rhubner> cedk: The last code I sent in code review I did "gh qrefresh" in it | ||
| 2011-08-08 18:38 <rhubner> cedk: The changes that I did in this week can I send from "--rev tip"? | ||
| 2011-08-08 18:39 <cedk> rhubner: I guess it is named qparent | ||
| 2011-08-08 18:39 <cedk> rhubner: but look with hg log | ||
| 2011-08-08 18:40 <rhubner> cedk: but qparent will send all I did from the beginning... I want to send over only the last revision | ||
| 2011-08-08 18:41 <cedk> rhubner: you must put on codereview all from the beiginning | ||
| 2011-08-08 18:41 <rhubner> cedk: anyway must I use from qparent? | ||
| 2011-08-08 18:41 <rhubner> Hum | ||
| 2011-08-08 18:41 <rhubner> Ok | ||
| 2011-08-08 18:42 <rhubner> cedk: I'm sending | ||
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