| chat.freenode.net #tryton log beginning Wed Jul 20 00:00:02 CEST 2011 | ||
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| 2011-07-20 10:15 <JohanSJA> hi, all | ||
| 2011-07-20 10:15 <JohanSJA> just come in to understand more about tryton. | ||
| 2011-07-20 10:19 <JohanSJA> do we have a POS module for Tryton? | ||
| 2011-07-20 10:22 <cedk> JohanSJA: no but there is a GSoC student working on one | ||
| 2011-07-20 10:24 <JohanSJA> cedk: I understand that Tryton originally forks from OpenERP and OpenERP has grown since then. But by looking at Tryton website, the progress seems to be pretty slow or am I wrong? | ||
| 2011-07-20 10:26 <cedk> JohanSJA: OpenERP did not grown some much as they try to say :-) | ||
| 2011-07-20 10:26 <cedk> JohanSJA: which progress are you talking? | ||
| 2011-07-20 10:30 <JohanSJA> I am not sure. The version in Tryton seems to be lagging behind. | ||
| 2011-07-20 10:30 <JohanSJA> I am new to ERP and thinking of which to try and involve | ||
| 2011-07-20 10:30 <cedk> JohanSJA: what is lagging ? | ||
| 2011-07-20 10:31 <JohanSJA> i basically mean the community seems to be inactive | ||
| 2011-07-20 10:31 <JohanSJA> :) | ||
| 2011-07-20 10:34 <cedk> JohanSJA: ok if you prefere a community that is asking thousand of questions on forum without answers because the software is buggy, ok it is more active | ||
| 2011-07-20 10:34 <JohanSJA> cedk: :D you definitely are active | ||
| 2011-07-20 10:34 <JohanSJA> :) | ||
| 2011-07-20 10:37 <cedk> JohanSJA: indeed I think what is confusing you is that behind OpenERP there is OpenERP SA who spending a lot of money in marketing | ||
| 2011-07-20 10:38 <JohanSJA> I don't really mind about any marketing | ||
| 2011-07-20 10:38 <JohanSJA> I just want to find a solid ERP to work on | ||
| 2011-07-20 10:39 <JohanSJA> The website that Tryton has and the information that it has isn't so convincing for me right now | ||
| 2011-07-20 10:40 <JohanSJA> I like the fact that Tryton is community open source but OpenERP is commercial open source | ||
| 2011-07-20 10:40 <cedk> JohanSJA: what is your requirements? | ||
| 2011-07-20 10:41 <JohanSJA> basic ERP stuff - Sales, Purchases, Financial, Inventory, POS | ||
| 2011-07-20 10:42 <cedk> JohanSJA: there is all of that except POS | ||
| 2011-07-20 10:42 <nicoe> JohanSJA: We would like to improve our website what exactly do you expect from a community-driven ERP website ? | ||
| 2011-07-20 10:43 <JohanSJA> nicoe: just more information | ||
| 2011-07-20 10:43 <JohanSJA> cedk: how about a web client apart from a GTK client? | ||
| 2011-07-20 10:44 <cedk> JohanSJA: we don't have yet one | ||
| 2011-07-20 10:45 <cedk> JohanSJA: but indeed, there is very few cases where a webclient for an ERP is really important | ||
| 2011-07-20 10:46 <nicoe> JohanSJA: What kind of information ? A more detailed list of features ? Development information ? | ||
| 2011-07-20 10:47 <JohanSJA> nicoe: I will need to seriously go deep into it to justify but the first impression is really not good | ||
| 2011-07-20 10:47 <JohanSJA> :) | ||
| 2011-07-20 10:48 <JohanSJA> cedk: it would be great in some cases where I don't need to install a client for every desktop | ||
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| 2011-07-20 10:52 <JohanSJA> sorry, browser crash | ||
| 2011-07-20 10:53 <cedk> JohanSJA: come on, if you are in such situation then you already got the infrastructure to deploy an application | ||
| 2011-07-20 10:53 <cedk> JohanSJA: and more over, you prefer the users use a web interface which is slower, less userfriendly just because you don't want to deploy an app | ||
| 2011-07-20 10:53 <cedk> JohanSJA: by the way, you still need to deploy at least the browser :-) | ||
| 2011-07-20 10:54 <JohanSJA> cedk: ya. but a browser is always installed by default in most OS | ||
| 2011-07-20 10:54 <JohanSJA> but that's a minor problem for now | ||
| 2011-07-20 10:55 <JohanSJA> how about customization for report? i mean the purchase order, sales orders and so on. | ||
| 2011-07-20 10:57 <cedk> JohanSJA: it is just odt file | ||
| 2011-07-20 10:58 <JohanSJA> great | ||
| 2011-07-20 10:59 <cedk> JohanSJA: on this topic we are far better than OE :-) | ||
| 2011-07-20 11:00 <JohanSJA> cedk: the fact that I prefer Tryton right now is really because of its community open source status | ||
| 2011-07-20 11:00 <JohanSJA> and this means I can further improve it as I need to | ||
| 2011-07-20 11:01 <JohanSJA> I don't want something that I am working on becomes proprietary software suddenly when it grows bigger | ||
| 2011-07-20 11:02 <cedk> JohanSJA: do you know a littl bit Python? | ||
| 2011-07-20 11:05 <JohanSJA> cedk: ya, I did some programming in Python before | ||
| 2011-07-20 11:05 <cedk> JohanSJA: just have a look at this: | ||
| 2011-07-20 11:06 <cedk> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~openerp/openobject-addons/6.0/view/head:/sale/sale.py#L65 | ||
| 2011-07-20 11:06 <cedk> http://hg.tryton.org/2.0/modules/sale/file/bec4cd8ffcfd/sale.py#l417 | ||
| 2011-07-20 11:06 <cedk> JohanSJA: both are doing the same, computing the tax amount of the sale | ||
| 2011-07-20 11:08 <cedk> just an example to show the difference in the code | ||
| 2011-07-20 11:09 <JohanSJA> ok | ||
| 2011-07-20 11:09 <JohanSJA> just a quick run-through and Tryton codes does seems to be more solid | ||
| 2011-07-20 11:09 <JohanSJA> :) | ||
| 2011-07-20 11:10 <cedk> JohanSJA: thanks to PEP8, codereview and unittest :-) | ||
| 2011-07-20 11:11 <JohanSJA> cedk: how long have you been with Tryton? | ||
| 2011-07-20 11:12 <JohanSJA> what is the main reason of forking from OpenERP at that time? | ||
| 2011-07-20 11:12 <cedk> JohanSJA: the main forkers (including me) were past employees of TinyERP aka OpenERP SA | ||
| 2011-07-20 11:13 <cedk> JohanSJA: we did not agree by the direction OpenERP was going to | ||
| 2011-07-20 11:14 <JohanSJA> where was OpenERP heading at that time? | ||
| 2011-07-20 11:14 <cedk> JohanSJA: it was about code quality, design process, community management etc. | ||
| 2011-07-20 11:15 <JohanSJA> Oh I see | ||
| 2011-07-20 11:15 <JohanSJA> to be pretty honest, I am looking at solid ERP to work on right now | ||
| 2011-07-20 11:16 <JohanSJA> I have a relatively small company (around 10-15 workers) who is willing to let me to test-run any ERP that I want | ||
| 2011-07-20 11:17 <JohanSJA> they are running proprietary inventory system and accounting system currently and isn't satisfy with the performance of the inventory system (running figure for stock) | ||
| 2011-07-20 11:17 <cedk> JohanSJA: are you just looking for your own needs or also for customers? | ||
| 2011-07-20 11:17 <JohanSJA> both | ||
| 2011-07-20 11:17 <JohanSJA> after I test-run with that company, I am thinking of supplying to other companies as well | ||
| 2011-07-20 11:18 <cedk> JohanSJA: you must see Tryton as a meta-business software that allow you to build the software you need | ||
| 2011-07-20 11:18 <cedk> JohanSJA: it is not an out-of-the-box product | ||
| 2011-07-20 11:18 <JohanSJA> so during that test-run period, they will have 2 system running parallelly | ||
| 2011-07-20 11:19 <JohanSJA> cedk: what do you mean by meta-business? | ||
| 2011-07-20 11:19 <JohanSJA> I am OK with a little bit configuration here and there | ||
| 2011-07-20 11:19 <JohanSJA> in fact that is what I am expecting to do with every ERP | ||
| 2011-07-20 11:19 <cedk> JohanSJA: I mean meta-"business software" | ||
| 2011-07-20 11:19 <JohanSJA> I am not planning on going with partnership with Openbravo or OpenERP, the partnership itself is too costly for me at the moment | ||
| 2011-07-20 11:20 <JohanSJA> so I am expecting an ERP that I can freely works on and contribute back too | ||
| 2011-07-20 11:21 <JohanSJA> Openbravo as what I observed is not really as open source as it stated | ||
| 2011-07-20 11:21 <JohanSJA> OpenERP seems to be on the same direction as well | ||
| 2011-07-20 11:22 <cedk> JohanSJA: yeps, it is the issue with fundraising | ||
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| 2011-07-20 11:23 <JohanSJA> I am not sure which approach should I go so I am still evaluating | ||
| 2011-07-20 11:23 <JohanSJA> Openbravo is definitely out for now | ||
| 2011-07-20 11:23 <JohanSJA> it seems like a very limited open source software and buggy as of review | ||
| 2011-07-20 11:24 <JohanSJA> OpenERP is much better but its commercial open source status is scaring me a bit | ||
| 2011-07-20 11:25 <cedk> JohanSJA: in what is OpenERP better? | ||
| 2011-07-20 11:26 <JohanSJA> cedk: compared to Openbravo, its codes is more open and more customizable | ||
| 2011-07-20 11:26 <cedk> JohanSJA: ha ok you compare with Openbravo | ||
| 2011-07-20 11:27 <cedk> JohanSJA: don't know enough Openbravo | ||
| 2011-07-20 11:27 <JohanSJA> I just came across Tryton an hour ago and still need to review on that | ||
| 2011-07-20 11:27 <JohanSJA> pretty happy with your explanation so far | ||
| 2011-07-20 11:27 <JohanSJA> just expecting a POS and (maybe) web client also | ||
| 2011-07-20 11:28 <JohanSJA> POS is important as the company that I am going for test-run is both a wholesale company and a retail store as well | ||
| 2011-07-20 11:28 <cedk> JohanSJA: we are working on a javascript lib that will manage all the connection to the server | ||
| 2011-07-20 11:28 <cedk> JohanSJA: it will the basis for a webapp | ||
| 2011-07-20 11:28 <JohanSJA> so they are expecting a POS for their retail store | ||
| 2011-07-20 11:29 <cedk> JohanSJA: yes but the POS doesn't need to be stringly linked to the ERP | ||
| 2011-07-20 11:29 <JohanSJA> cedk: sorry, but I am quite new to ERP as well | ||
| 2011-07-20 11:29 <JohanSJA> can you explain on that? | ||
| 2011-07-20 11:30 <cedk> JohanSJA: POS is just there to register sales so you can just sync it at the end of the day | ||
| 2011-07-20 11:30 <cedk> JohanSJA: most of the time POS has an export in csv file | ||
| 2011-07-20 11:32 <JohanSJA> cedk: but wouldn't it be great if we can know how much stock we have in that store as well? | ||
| 2011-07-20 11:33 <cedk> JohanSJA: for a POS no, because the customer have the product | ||
| 2011-07-20 11:33 <cedk> JohanSJA: but indeed it depends of what you named POS | ||
| 2011-07-20 11:34 <JohanSJA> but the situation in this company is that they own a retail store | ||
| 2011-07-20 11:36 <cedk> JohanSJA: I think you should explain what you need for the POS | ||
| 2011-07-20 11:37 <JohanSJA> cedk: sure, if you have time to listen to me :) | ||
| 2011-07-20 11:38 <JohanSJA> and maybe I have misunderstood what a POS is | ||
| 2011-07-20 11:38 <JohanSJA> OK, this is the scenario | ||
| 2011-07-20 11:39 <JohanSJA> this company opened up a retail store last few years after acting solely as wholesaler for about 20 years | ||
| 2011-07-20 11:40 <JohanSJA> so they have a few stores (warehouse) containing stocks to be sold to businesses and a retail store which contains stocks to be sold to public | ||
| 2011-07-20 11:42 <JohanSJA> they want to keep track of how many stocks that they have both inside the warehouses and the retail stores at all the time | ||
| 2011-07-20 11:42 <JohanSJA> because when a business customer wants a product, they can always pull the product from the warehouse and the retail store as well | ||
| 2011-07-20 11:43 <JohanSJA> at the same time, they want to implement POS at the retail store | ||
| 2011-07-20 11:43 <JohanSJA> keeping track all the sales for that day | ||
| 2011-07-20 11:45 <JohanSJA> i think basically that's it right now | ||
| 2011-07-20 11:48 <cedk> JohanSJA: is the POS can run on a computer with keyboard and mouse? | ||
| 2011-07-20 11:49 <JohanSJA> ya, their current POS system does work on keyborad and mouse | ||
| 2011-07-20 11:51 <cedk> JohanSJA: so I think it could be the Tryton client with simple sale form | ||
| 2011-07-20 11:51 <cedk> JohanSJA: does it have to work with barcode scanner | ||
| 2011-07-20 11:52 <JohanSJA> cedk: preferable if possible | ||
| 2011-07-20 11:53 <JohanSJA> and receipt need to be generated for warranty purposes as well | ||
| 2011-07-20 11:53 <cedk> JohanSJA: do you know how much sales per day per point? | ||
| 2011-07-20 11:54 <JohanSJA> if you are referring to transaction, it isn't really a lot | ||
| 2011-07-20 11:55 <JohanSJA> since they are selling audio system such as speaker, mixers and so on | ||
| 2011-07-20 11:55 <JohanSJA> perhaps 2-3 transaction per hour | ||
| 2011-07-20 11:56 <cedk> JohanSJA: so I think it is doable with the current client | ||
| 2011-07-20 11:57 <JohanSJA> ok. I think I will just work on that slowly and customize it to their needs | ||
| 2011-07-20 11:58 <JohanSJA> i will have 1 year time to test-run with them as they can have two system running parallelly | ||
| 2011-07-20 11:58 <JohanSJA> and how is the status of the POS from the GSoC? | ||
| 2011-07-20 11:59 <JohanSJA> right now, what is more important to me will be the inventory (warehouse) management | ||
| 2011-07-20 12:00 <JohanSJA> they are having running figure all the time and it is causing them headache (product A which should have quantity of 100 can be shown as 0 in the system) | ||
| 2011-07-20 12:00 <JohanSJA> got to go now | ||
| 2011-07-20 12:01 <JohanSJA> chat again in future | ||
| 2011-07-20 12:01 <JohanSJA> i will try to explore Tryton more and see how it suits my need | ||
| 2011-07-20 12:01 <JohanSJA> thank you | ||
| 2011-07-20 12:01 <JohanSJA> thanks for listening | ||
| 2011-07-20 12:01 <JohanSJA> :) | ||
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