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| 2011-04-04 08:59 <imanish> Hi guys. | ||
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| 2011-04-04 09:01 <imanish> I am interested in applying for GSOC 2011 under tryton project, can anyone provide me the relevant details about the project submission? | ||
| 2011-04-04 09:03 <imanish> anyone there? | ||
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| 2011-04-04 09:11 <Saurabh> Hello guys, I am engineering student from India | ||
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| 2011-04-04 09:14 <orzel_> hello. i can't manage to see the screenshot on the website. There's a small white window popping up with something like "in progress" .. that doesn't go away. | ||
| 2011-04-04 09:14 <orzel_> i'm using firefox 4 | ||
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| 2011-04-04 09:15 <orzel> although i have the same behaviour with konqueror | ||
| 2011-04-04 09:15 <Saurabh> can anyone guide me the indian mentor for 'GSOC2011' | ||
| 2011-04-04 09:19 <cedk> Saurabh: yes | ||
| 2011-04-04 09:23 <cedk> orzel: strange, have you javascript activated? | ||
| 2011-04-04 09:26 <orzel> yes, of course | ||
| 2011-04-04 09:26 <orzel> i'm about to try with chromium, but it's broken here ( i dont use it often) | ||
| 2011-04-04 09:30 <Saurabh> cedk: can u also guide me a bit about the project & ideas | ||
| 2011-04-04 09:38 <Saurabh> cedk:I just want to know about the three parts of project | ||
| 2011-04-04 09:42 <cedk> Saurabh: the ideas are there http://code.google.com/p/tryton/wiki/gsoc2011ideas | ||
| 2011-04-04 09:46 <cedk> orzel: otherwise you can have the image from the repository at http://hg.tryton.org/www.tryton.org | ||
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| 2011-04-04 09:52 <Saurabh> cedk:as i see sharoon is the mentor from india so can u refer me to the areas he is dealing with? | ||
| 2011-04-04 09:52 <cedk> sharoon: ping | ||
| 2011-04-04 09:52 <cedk> Saurabh: nobody is limited to an areas | ||
| 2011-04-04 09:53 <cedk> Saurabh: GSoC for Tryton will be more like dealing with the all community | ||
| 2011-04-04 09:53 <orzel> cedk: ah, thanks | ||
| 2011-04-04 09:53 <Saurabh> cedk: oh that's great | ||
| 2011-04-04 09:53 <orzel> i'll have to checkout, though... http://hg2.tryton.org/www.tryton.org/file/f75849777a07/img/01screenshot.png | ||
| 2011-04-04 09:54 <Saurabh> cedk: i am quite new to tryton so,please guide me about the project | ||
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| 2011-04-04 09:56 <cedk> Saurabh: what do you want to know? | ||
| 2011-04-04 10:02 <Saurabh> cedk:Can you put some light on this :"Create a XPDL parser to load workflow". | ||
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| 2011-04-04 10:05 <cedk> Saurabh: There is a workflow engine in Tryton | ||
| 2011-04-04 10:06 <cedk> http://hg.tryton.org/trytond/file/46aceb527d78/trytond/workflow/workflow.py | ||
| 2011-04-04 10:07 <cedk> for now, we create workflow like this: http://hg.tryton.org/modules/account_invoice/file/0e65bb46c7e9/invoice.xml#l614 | ||
| 2011-04-04 10:08 <cedk> Saurabh: so the goal of this idea is to be able to use XPDL file instead of the xml one | ||
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| 2011-04-04 14:36 <Saurabh> cedk:Can you put some light on this:"Create a generic Django module to display Tryton models". | ||
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| 2011-04-04 14:57 <cedk> Saurabh: the goals is to have a set of tools that eases the usage of Tryton inside Django | ||
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| 2011-04-04 15:27 <rhubner> Hei all! | ||
| 2011-04-04 15:27 <cedk> rhubner: hi | ||
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| 2011-04-04 15:28 <nicoe> hello | ||
| 2011-04-04 15:33 <rhubner> cedk: Hi Cedric | ||
| 2011-04-04 15:34 <rhubner> I was seeing how is divided the GUI | ||
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| 2011-04-04 15:36 <rhubner> cedk: Where i put a new treeview for a new widget? | ||
| 2011-04-04 15:36 <rhubner> cedk: For example, a widget for historical time-line (my proposal) | ||
| 2011-04-04 15:37 <cedk> rhubner: indeed I think you will need to modify the current GTK client to include the timeline | ||
| 2011-04-04 15:39 <sharoon> rhubner: you can also refer to this discussion which took place on the IRC last week. http://www.tryton.org/~irclog/2011-04-02.log.html#t2011-04-02_21:56 | ||
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| 2011-04-04 15:40 <rhubner> cedk: Humm.. Ok | ||
| 2011-04-04 15:41 <cedk> rhubner: this is a task that is closly linked to tryton client | ||
| 2011-04-04 15:44 <rhubner> I'll include the GUI modification in the initial schedule... and also I'm write as it will be developed ... | ||
| 2011-04-04 15:46 <rhubner> cedk: did you see my other proposal about WYSIWYG text editor? | ||
| 2011-04-04 15:47 <rhubner> cedk: I put the GUI develop with glade too... | ||
| 2011-04-04 15:47 <cedk> rhubner: ha we don't use glade at all | ||
| 2011-04-04 15:47 <cedk> rhubner: and we don't want to have it :-) | ||
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| 2011-04-04 15:48 <rhubner> cedk: but does not really need... Just it put a control bar that communicates with a TextView | ||
| 2011-04-04 15:49 <rhubner> cedk: of course ... glade would be used in minor cases... | ||
| 2011-04-04 15:50 <rhubner> cedk: In my opinion! | ||
| 2011-04-04 15:50 <cedk> rhubner: yes, we will be greate is to have Alignment, Underline, Bold etc. | ||
| 2011-04-04 15:51 <cedk> rhubner: the issue with glade is that it has poor performence on windows because it needs to open files too much | ||
| 2011-04-04 15:51 <cedk> rhubner: and also it is difficult to manage in repository file that are generated by tools | ||
| 2011-04-04 15:52 <cedk> rhubner: and finally because I don't like glade :-) | ||
| 2011-04-04 15:53 <cedk> rhubner: about the data structure of the WYSIWYG editor, I was thinking about some simplify html | ||
| 2011-04-04 15:53 <cedk> rhubner: by the way, could you add your irc nickname in gsoc application thx | ||
| 2011-04-04 15:55 <rhubner> cedk: ok! I don't talk more about glade! | ||
| 2011-04-04 15:55 <rhubner> hahaha | ||
| 2011-04-04 15:57 <rhubner> cedk: My idea behind the WYSIWYG editor is to handle the html yet ... I will work with parses and mainly RE :) | ||
| 2011-04-04 15:58 <rhubner> cedk: it's fun develop this :) My idea is to put all the controls that need to manipulate text (no more) | ||
| 2011-04-04 15:59 <rhubner> cedk: I called "rich text edit" because this... | ||
| 2011-04-04 16:00 <rhubner> cedk: I'll add my nick there... sorry! | ||
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| 2011-04-04 16:05 <cedk> rhubner: you will not be able to manage all the html | ||
| 2011-04-04 16:05 <cedk> rhubner: especially with RE | ||
| 2011-04-04 16:06 <cedk> rhubner: and by the way, we will need to have a small sets of html because later we will need to include it in odt file | ||
| 2011-04-04 16:06 <cedk> rhubner: like comments on invoice | ||
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| 2011-04-04 16:09 <rhubner> cedk: I understand ... Do you think I should look at the pattern odt to develop this editor? | ||
| 2011-04-04 16:10 <rhubner> cedk: i.e. follow the standards of odt... | ||
| 2011-04-04 16:10 <rhubner> ? | ||
| 2011-04-04 16:11 <cedk> rhubner: I think it is too complex | ||
| 2011-04-04 16:15 <rhubner> cedk: but add tags to the text in the editor and then transforming the text in html is not socomplex ... | ||
| 2011-04-04 16:15 <rhubner> cedk: would not that the way? in short.. | ||
| 2011-04-04 16:16 <cedk> rhubner: I think GTK already have a subset of HTML defined | ||
| 2011-04-04 16:18 <rhubner> cedk: yes! gtk shows text formatting with HTML tags.. | ||
| 2011-04-04 16:19 <cedk> rhubner: http://library.gnome.org/devel/pygtk/2.21/class-gtklabel.html#method-gtklabel--set-use-markup | ||
| 2011-04-04 16:19 <rhubner> cedk: bold, italic, underline.... and so on | ||
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| 2011-04-04 16:20 <cedk> rhubner: yes and also bullets | ||
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| 2011-04-04 16:23 <rhubner> cedk: ok.. I'll rewrite some parts in my two proposals... you think I have chances? | ||
| 2011-04-04 16:24 <cedk> rhubner: I really don't know it is the first time for us also :-) | ||
| 2011-04-04 16:24 <sharoon> rhubner: are you clear with the goals/tasks/ideas you are applying for ? | ||
| 2011-04-04 16:28 <rhubner> sharoon: I believe it's clear... I need to change somethings in my proposals... | ||
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| 2011-04-04 19:01 <reichlich> Hi | ||
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| 2011-04-04 19:02 <reichlich> im intersted in the GSOC project, but im wondering why the tryton project isnt listed on the GSOC-page | ||
| 2011-04-04 19:05 <svaksha> its listed as an umbrella org of the PSF | ||
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| 2011-04-04 19:10 <reichlich> svaksha, what is an umbrella org? | ||
| 2011-04-04 19:13 <svaksha> because org slots are limited, sometimes an org misses out, but they can apply under a larger org if they have common interests. | ||
| 2011-04-04 19:18 <reichlich> svaksha, thanks, i got it | ||
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| 2011-04-04 20:04 <reichlich> can anyone give me some help with the submit of a proposal to the PSF? | ||
| 2011-04-04 20:04 <cedk> reichlich: for which ideas? | ||
| 2011-04-04 20:08 <cedk> reichlich: a Tryton one or a PSF ? | ||
| 2011-04-04 20:08 <reichlich> cedk, im interested in developing a pos system | ||
| 2011-04-04 20:09 <reichlich> cedk, a tryton one | ||
| 2011-04-04 20:09 <cedk> reichlich: ok, what do you want to know? | ||
| 2011-04-04 20:10 <reichlich> cedk, do i have to submit my proposal to the PSF? | ||
| 2011-04-04 20:12 <cedk> reichlich: yes | ||
| 2011-04-04 20:12 <cedk> reichlich: just say in the title that it is for Tryton project | ||
| 2011-04-04 20:14 <reichlich> cedk, i have the submit form on the screen. there is a content section where a template is given. | ||
| 2011-04-04 20:14 <cedk> reichlich: you must fill it | ||
| 2011-04-04 20:15 <cedk> reichlich: but don't worry you can edited after the first submition until the deadline | ||
| 2011-04-04 20:15 <reichlich> cedk, there is written: 'Summarize your proposal to a paragraph or two with a link to a URL more details.' | ||
| 2011-04-04 20:16 <cedk> reichlich: and? | ||
| 2011-04-04 20:17 <reichlich> cedk, on which URL should i give more details? | ||
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| 2011-04-04 20:18 <cedk> reichlich: it is advised to get a wiki or a blog where you will put your progress during GSoC | ||
| 2011-04-04 20:18 <reichlich> cedk, yes, but i dont know on which page i should write more details. | ||
| 2011-04-04 20:22 <cedk> reichlich: fill the form for now, we will try to provide wiki page for each students | ||
| 2011-04-04 20:23 <reichlich> cedk, ok thanks | ||
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| 2011-04-04 22:20 <rhubner> Hi cedk! | ||
| 2011-04-04 22:22 <cedk> rhubner: hi | ||
| 2011-04-04 22:22 <rhubner> cedk: you passed me as the text editing can be done... | ||
| 2011-04-04 22:22 <rhubner> cedk: but it was it with gtkLabel... | ||
| 2011-04-04 22:23 <cedk> rhubner: you but I think it will be good to keep the same syntax | ||
| 2011-04-04 22:23 <rhubner> cedk: With gtkTextView i found the editor can be with pango | ||
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| 2011-04-04 22:25 <cedk> rhubner: it is possible | ||
| 2011-04-04 22:25 <rhubner> cedk: I found this: http://www.pygtk.org/pygtk2tutorial/sec-TextTagsAndTextTagTables.html | ||
| 2011-04-04 22:29 <rhubner> cedk: cool! :) In my for WYSIWYG editor I'll use pango... | ||
| 2011-04-04 22:30 <rhubner> cedk: What do you think? | ||
| 2011-04-04 22:30 <cedk> rhubner: before going low level, you must be sure there is not already a functionnality in GTK+ | ||
| 2011-04-04 22:31 <rhubner> cedk: I saw that some places in tryton client already using pango... | ||
| 2011-04-04 22:31 <cedk> rhubner: I think you should first be sure there is no textview available that render tagged text | ||
| 2011-04-04 22:31 <cedk> rhubner: yes that is not an issue to use pango when there is no other options | ||
| 2011-04-04 22:32 <rhubner> cedk: ok | ||
| 2011-04-04 22:34 <rhubner> cedk: I'll investigate more... But I'll add in my proposal to use pango for now... | ||
| 2011-04-04 22:34 <rhubner> cedk: After... I could change again! Thank you... | ||
| 2011-04-04 22:35 <cedk> rhubner: for sure | ||
| 2011-04-04 22:38 <cedk> reichlich: I was looking at your proposal | ||
| 2011-04-04 22:38 <cedk> reichlich: could you add your irc nickname | ||
| 2011-04-04 22:39 <cedk> reichlich: about the GUI, we was thinking about reusing tryton client with SQLite backend. It is named neso | ||
| 2011-04-04 22:40 <cedk> reichlich: I'm not sure you will have time to work on hardware support | ||
| 2011-04-04 22:41 <cedk> reichlich: I think you should more focus on software and in sync protocol | ||
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| 2011-04-04 22:48 <reichlich> cedk, i already planned building a tryton based pos system before ive seen the GSoC idea. | ||
| 2011-04-04 22:49 <reichlich> cedk, i have the hardware communication already running with python | ||
| 2011-04-04 22:49 <cedk> reichlich: humm... | ||
| 2011-04-04 22:50 <cedk> reichlich: will it work on PC also? | ||
| 2011-04-04 22:51 <reichlich> cedk, yes | ||
| 2011-04-04 22:51 <cedk> reichlich: what will be the GUI? | ||
| 2011-04-04 22:53 <reichlich> cedk, i actually thought about a seperate program. | ||
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| 2011-04-04 22:56 <cedk> reichlich: what do you think about using neso? | ||
| 2011-04-04 22:56 <reichlich> cedk, i thought the UI is too special for the regular GTK client | ||
| 2011-04-04 22:57 <cedk> reichlich: of course it will need to add some more widgets like a numpad etc. | ||
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| 2011-04-04 23:03 <reichlich> cedk, i havnt worked on the client code yet | ||
| 2011-04-04 23:03 <reichlich> cedk, i dont know how complicated it will be to introduce new widgets. | ||
| 2011-04-04 23:07 <cedk> reichlich: less then writing a new app | ||
| 2011-04-04 23:08 <reichlich> cedk, i thought about a proteus based app | ||
| 2011-04-04 23:09 <reichlich> cedk, what about the hardware integration into the client? | ||
| 2011-04-04 23:13 <cedk> reichlich: like? | ||
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| 2011-04-04 23:14 <reichlich> cedk, barcode scanners, receipt printers, cashdrawers | ||
| 2011-04-04 23:15 <cedk> reichlich: barcode scanner behaves like a keyboard | ||
| 2011-04-04 23:16 <cedk> reichlich: printers: neso should send to it the right format (PDF?) | ||
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| 2011-04-04 23:17 <reichlich> cedk, pdf is not a good format for receipt printers | ||
| 2011-04-04 23:17 <cedk> reichlich: cashdrawers I don't know, perhaps implement a specific signal | ||
| 2011-04-04 23:18 <reichlich> cedk, receipt printers use "escpos" | ||
| 2011-04-04 23:18 <cedk> reichlich: I don't know this format | ||
| 2011-04-04 23:18 <cedk> reichlich: but it should be possible to generate it with the Report engine | ||
| 2011-04-04 23:19 <reichlich> cedk, the most printers need raw ascii data with special escaped commands | ||
| 2011-04-04 23:20 <reichlich> cedk, http://code.google.com/p/python-escpos/ | ||
| 2011-04-04 23:21 <cedk> reichlich: so perhaps define a format that will be sent to a program based on python-escpos | ||
| 2011-04-04 23:27 <reichlich> cedk, but the client has to send the data raw to the printer | ||
| 2011-04-04 23:28 <reichlich> cedk, i would like a into the GTK client integrated solution | ||
| 2011-04-04 23:31 <reichlich> cedk, what about synchronizing? | ||
| 2011-04-04 23:31 <reichlich> cedk, any ideas? | ||
| 2011-04-04 23:32 <cedk> reichlich: I think it is better to have separate program called by the client because it allow to replace it by an other one if needed by the hardware | ||
| 2011-04-04 23:32 <cedk> reichlich: about sync, I don't have idea for now | ||
| 2011-04-04 23:34 <reichlich> cedk, i would like a generic replication modul | ||
| 2011-04-04 23:34 <reichlich> cedk, but i dont know if its possible | ||
| 2011-04-04 23:34 <cedk> reichlich: I don't think replication is a solution | ||
| 2011-04-04 23:34 <cedk> reichlich: for me, I see it more like a push from the POS to the server | ||
| 2011-04-04 23:35 <reichlich> cedk, but the POS needs to have up to date prices | ||
| 2011-04-04 23:37 <cedk> reichlich: yes it is a pull | ||
| 2011-04-04 23:37 <cedk> reichlich: some data need to be pulled and others pushed | ||
| 2011-04-04 23:38 <reichlich> cedk, in our application a synch mechanism would be very useful for other modules too | ||
| 2011-04-04 23:39 <reichlich> cedk, we have a few affiliates | ||
| 2011-04-04 23:39 <cedk> reichlich: for me sync could not be generic | ||
| 2011-04-04 23:40 <reichlich> cedk, even if only each server can edit datasets created on themself? | ||
| 2011-04-04 23:41 <cedk> reichlich: the issue is foreign key | ||
| 2011-04-04 23:42 <reichlich> cedk, my thought was to add two columns on each replicated model | ||
| 2011-04-04 23:42 <reichlich> cedk, source-server-id and the primary key on this server | ||
| 2011-04-04 23:42 <cedk> reichlich: if you want to have replication, you must use PostgreSQL replication tools | ||
| 2011-04-04 23:43 <reichlich> cedk, was my first thought. | ||
| 2011-04-04 23:43 <cedk> reichlich: and this way will not work for POS | ||
| 2011-04-04 23:44 <cedk> reichlich: commercial POS works most of the time with just csv file | ||
| 2011-04-04 23:44 <cedk> reichlich: one to input products/price etc. | ||
| 2011-04-04 23:45 <cedk> reichlich: one to output sales of the day | ||
| 2011-04-04 23:46 <reichlich> cedk, do you think it cant be done by adding two columns? | ||
| 2011-04-04 23:47 <reichlich> cedk, and if a dataset is not owned by the server it is read only? | ||
| 2011-04-04 23:47 <cedk> reichlich: I think it will not work on relational data | ||
| 2011-04-04 23:47 <reichlich> cedk, for example: | ||
| 2011-04-04 23:48 <reichlich> cedk, if the POS pushes a transaction, it will create all datasets new on the master and extends each dataset with its own primary key | ||
| 2011-04-04 23:51 <cedk> reichlich: it will work only if your tables are not linked | ||
| 2011-04-04 23:52 <reichlich> cedk, also if all datasets on the server will be new created? only with a reference to the initial creater with his primary? | ||
| 2011-04-04 23:55 <cedk> reichlich: also you will have to deal with uniqu constraint if two separate POS create the same record that must be uniq | ||
| 2011-04-04 23:56 <reichlich> cedk, what could that be? | ||
| 2011-04-04 23:58 <cedk> reichlich: for it must be pull/push based on the business design |
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