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| 2011-03-16 08:17 <yagami_i> plantian: What version of psycopg2 and Python are you running? I had a few strange errors getting trytond 1.6 to run from the Fedora 14 repositories because of a few unlisted Python dependencies that exist on *very* minimal system installs. | ||
| 2011-03-16 08:20 <yagami_i> That sounds like a Python module is either too old, too new or (most likely) missing. | ||
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| 2011-03-16 18:08 <plantian> yagami_i: I'm using psycopg2-2.3.1 but I think it has to do with the tryton update not finishing. | ||
| 2011-03-16 18:09 <yagami_i> Did you install from a repository or from source? If repository, did you use easy_install or yum/apt/other distro tool? | ||
| 2011-03-16 18:18 <plantian> I'm installing the source with pip into a virtualenv. | ||
| 2011-03-16 18:20 <plantian> I will try the newest version but I think the column just doesn't exist because updating the db fails for some reason. | ||
| 2011-03-16 18:32 <yagami_i> So this happened after trying to update an existing database? Were you adding a new module to an existing system or upgrading modules/tryton? | ||
| 2011-03-16 18:33 <yagami_i> I wonder if a manual SQL query could fix this (obviously not the cleanest solution). | ||
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| 2011-03-16 18:57 <plantian> yagami_i: I changed a module's dependencies that was already installed. The dependency is new. In order to update tryton from older versions to newer versions you run an update which updates the db and all the modules I think. It tries to find that dep when I update but its not installed yet. If I install it first it doesn't work because the db isn't updated. Its kind of a chicken and egg problem. | ||
| 2011-03-16 19:07 <yagami_i> Can you update the original (unmodified) db to a recent version of Tryton without the new module dependency, and then add the new module in to Tryton the normal way? That should add the necessary fields at that time and get everything back in sync the same way normal module additions work, I believe. | ||
| 2011-03-16 19:08 <yagami_i> Alternatively you could ask postgres to just add the field, which should be blank and if its not a required field should not produce an error (I think). | ||
| 2011-03-16 19:10 <plantian> Yeah I just have to keep both versions of the module separate until I deploy. It just is breaking the build process I guess. | ||
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| 2011-03-16 21:16 <uranus> is the demo broken? http://demo.tryton.org:8070/ | ||
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| 2011-03-16 21:43 <plantian> uranus: What kind of error are you getting? You must connect with a client that has a major version that matches the demo. | ||
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| 2011-03-16 22:47 <uranus> oh, i was trying to connect via browser | ||
| 2011-03-16 22:47 <uranus> sorry | ||
| 2011-03-16 22:47 <uranus> i think I'm happy to find this | ||
| 2011-03-16 22:48 <uranus> I was dreading trying to install openerp again | ||
| 2011-03-16 22:48 <uranus> is there a web interface? | ||
| 2011-03-16 22:49 <uranus> i mean a module for the package? | ||
| 2011-03-16 22:49 <uranus> that would be nice | ||
| 2011-03-16 22:49 <uranus> .... or not...? | ||
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| 2011-03-16 22:51 <plantian> uranus: There has been an effort to start a web interface but nothing is completed. For now there is only the gtk-client. | ||
| 2011-03-16 22:51 <uranus> loh, nice, well it's not completely necessary | ||
| 2011-03-16 22:52 <uranus> i just found you (maybe REfound) so i'm just getting started | ||
| 2011-03-16 22:53 <uranus> installed openerp last year but lost that machine and the install went south anyway | ||
| 2011-03-16 22:53 <uranus> a reall pain | ||
| 2011-03-16 22:54 <uranus> I'll probably be installing on debian and/or arch | ||
| 2011-03-16 22:54 <uranus> is this software considered safe for production? | ||
| 2011-03-16 22:55 <plantian> uranus: Well an erp can be pretty complicated in general. | ||
| 2011-03-16 22:55 <uranus> i'm helping a small business get started | ||
| 2011-03-16 22:55 <uranus> yes | ||
| 2011-03-16 22:55 <plantian> uranus: I have not tried it but there is a guide on wiki for debian : http://code.google.com/p/tryton/wiki/InstallationOnDebian | ||
| 2011-03-16 22:55 <uranus> i generally try to promote foss or at least open source and my people are using quickbooks, etc | ||
| 2011-03-16 22:56 <uranus> right, I saw that there are packages already built in debian and arch | ||
| 2011-03-16 22:56 <plantian> uranus: Major versions should be safe for production but in most cases will need to be customized to the business. | ||
| 2011-03-16 22:56 <uranus> right | ||
| 2011-03-16 22:56 <uranus> looks great | ||
| 2011-03-16 22:56 <uranus> me likey | ||
| 2011-03-16 22:59 <uranus> i feel like i'm destined to enjoy this project since i'm already nicked with a space/mythology reference | ||
| 2011-03-16 23:00 <plantian> uranus: Ha right, a match made in the heavens. | ||
| 2011-03-16 23:01 <plantian> uranus: Did you get connected to the demo ? | ||
| 2011-03-16 23:01 <uranus> ha | ||
| 2011-03-16 23:01 <uranus> no, i didn't dl the client | ||
| 2011-03-16 23:01 <uranus> kinda busy getting a lease together | ||
| 2011-03-16 23:02 <uranus> going down to the server room in a bit | ||
| 2011-03-16 23:02 <uranus> will probably try later tonight | ||
| 2011-03-16 23:02 <uranus> i'm sure it works anyway | ||
| 2011-03-16 23:02 <uranus> i'll probably even just skip the demo and install straight away | ||
| 2011-03-16 23:03 <uranus> i'm putting together a machine | ||
| 2011-03-16 23:03 <uranus> was trying clearos | ||
| 2011-03-16 23:03 <uranus> but didn't realize that it's hooked up to a cloud | ||
| 2011-03-16 23:03 <plantian> uranus: You sound fully committed before the test drive. | ||
| 2011-03-16 23:03 <uranus> so it's on to arch | ||
| 2011-03-16 23:03 <plantian> I've never heard of clearos. | ||
| 2011-03-16 23:03 <uranus> oh yeah | ||
| 2011-03-16 23:03 <uranus> it's the 'new' clarkconnect | ||
| 2011-03-16 23:03 <plantian> I live in a cave though, not a lot of communication in and out. | ||
| 2011-03-16 23:04 <uranus> ha | ||
| 2011-03-16 23:04 <uranus> i live in a 'man' cave | ||
| 2011-03-16 23:04 <uranus> a bunker | ||
| 2011-03-16 23:04 <plantian> I've never heard of clarkconnect either. | ||
| 2011-03-16 23:04 <uranus> it's red hat based | ||
| 2011-03-16 23:04 <uranus> i've always found a home with debian | ||
| 2011-03-16 23:05 <uranus> actually the reason i was looking for a diff server env was because openerp was such a chore to install the latest version on debian | ||
| 2011-03-16 23:05 <plantian> Why not just use ubuntu? Seems to have a large user base these days. | ||
| 2011-03-16 23:06 <uranus> debian is not friendly to license issues | ||
| 2011-03-16 23:06 <uranus> actually, i just installed a desktop version on an old machine | ||
| 2011-03-16 23:06 <uranus> called PinguyOS | ||
| 2011-03-16 23:06 <plantian> In what way is it not friendly ? | ||
| 2011-03-16 23:07 <plantian> You're addicted to os diversification. | ||
| 2011-03-16 23:07 <uranus> debian tries to stay fully clear of any license issues | ||
| 2011-03-16 23:07 <uranus> tries to retain a fully foss profile | ||
| 2011-03-16 23:07 <plantian> Doesn't that make is more friendly ? | ||
| 2011-03-16 23:07 <uranus> which i like, in theory | ||
| 2011-03-16 23:07 <plantian> *make it | ||
| 2011-03-16 23:08 <uranus> yes, absolutely | ||
| 2011-03-16 23:08 <uranus> except that with 'stable' you don't get the latest versions | ||
| 2011-03-16 23:09 <uranus> plantian> You're addicted to os diversification | ||
| 2011-03-16 23:09 <uranus> ha, yeah, sort of | ||
| 2011-03-16 23:09 <uranus> well, i support the gnu ideal | ||
| 2011-03-16 23:09 <uranus> philosophy | ||
| 2011-03-16 23:10 <uranus> but a great example of the pitfalls of this ideal is the fact that gnu doesn't really even have it's own kernel yet | ||
| 2011-03-16 23:10 <plantian> How can you ever learn how the OS layout works if you use so many ? | ||
| 2011-03-16 23:10 <uranus> i mean, it's in devel but still not finished | ||
| 2011-03-16 23:10 <uranus> the hurd | ||
| 2011-03-16 23:11 <plantian> gnu is making a kernel ? | ||
| 2011-03-16 23:11 <uranus> yeah, the hurd kernel | ||
| 2011-03-16 23:11 <uranus> that's gnu's kernel project | ||
| 2011-03-16 23:11 <uranus> been working on it for years and years | ||
| 2011-03-16 23:11 <uranus> lol | ||
| 2011-03-16 23:11 <plantian> Ha why are they doing that ? | ||
| 2011-03-16 23:12 <uranus> well... i guess so that it's even more fossy | ||
| 2011-03-16 23:12 <uranus> apparently, torvald's 'linux' was originally released with a restrictive license | ||
| 2011-03-16 23:13 <uranus> but gnu convinced him to fix the license | ||
| 2011-03-16 23:13 <uranus> i really only use debian and arch and windows | ||
| 2011-03-16 23:13 <plantian> Right, yeah I don't nkow it just seems like their time could be spent better else where. | ||
| 2011-03-16 23:13 <uranus> well, debian and windows | ||
| 2011-03-16 23:14 <uranus> and coming to arch now | ||
| 2011-03-16 23:14 <uranus> ha, well, it seems they think the same | ||
| 2011-03-16 23:14 <uranus> since it's taking so long | ||
| 2011-03-16 23:14 <uranus> but i think they're making strides lately | ||
| 2011-03-16 23:15 <plantian> Just in time, for 2 people to use it. | ||
| 2011-03-16 23:15 <uranus> i pretty much started with ubuntu | ||
| 2011-03-16 23:15 <uranus> had a few episodes before that | ||
| 2011-03-16 23:15 <uranus> mepis | ||
| 2011-03-16 23:15 <uranus> mandrake | ||
| 2011-03-16 23:15 <uranus> etc | ||
| 2011-03-16 23:16 <uranus> but ubuntu provided an easy environment for learning the concept of linuxxx | ||
| 2011-03-16 23:16 <plantian> yeah I used mandrake, suse, redhat and now I mainly use gentoo | ||
| 2011-03-16 23:16 <plantian> I'd prefer to never switch again for the rest of my life. | ||
| 2011-03-16 23:16 <uranus> oh, yeah, i had gentoo on an ibook | ||
| 2011-03-16 23:17 <uranus> i was afraid it was going to kill the hd building everything | ||
| 2011-03-16 23:17 <plantian> yeah I have that fear too, but as computers get faster its not as ridiculous | ||
| 2011-03-16 23:17 <uranus> it finally got trashed and i went back to debian and it's still running like a champ | ||
| 2011-03-16 23:17 <uranus> right | ||
| 2011-03-16 23:18 <uranus> i'm def a fan of gentoo | ||
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| 2011-03-16 23:18 <uranus> i see some of the community is forking though | ||
| 2011-03-16 23:18 <uranus> some trouble in gentoo paradise | ||
| 2011-03-16 23:18 <plantian> f#!@, what fork ? | ||
| 2011-03-16 23:19 <uranus> haven't looked at it lately | ||
| 2011-03-16 23:19 <uranus> i forgot the details | ||
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| 2011-03-16 23:20 <uranus> the 'new' gentoo looked interesting | ||
| 2011-03-16 23:20 <uranus> at least in their stated goals/philosophy | ||
| 2011-03-16 23:20 <uranus> as i recall | ||
| 2011-03-16 23:21 <uranus> i never actually tried it though | ||
| 2011-03-16 23:21 <uranus> it was very new at the time | ||
| 2011-03-16 23:22 <uranus> one thought that bothered me after using gentoo for a while, though | ||
| 2011-03-16 23:23 <uranus> why try to make it 'like' bsd? | ||
| 2011-03-16 23:23 <uranus> why not just use bsd? | ||
| 2011-03-16 23:23 <plantian> uranus: nobody likes bsd but bsd users | ||
| 2011-03-16 23:23 <uranus> ha | ||
| 2011-03-16 23:23 <uranus> well, yeah | ||
| 2011-03-16 23:24 <plantian> Yeah I don't know anything about it, its all magic to me. | ||
| 2011-03-16 23:24 <uranus> it is pretty obscure | ||
| 2011-03-16 23:24 <uranus> well, i do run two things that run on bsd | ||
| 2011-03-16 23:24 <uranus> a file server system called freenas | ||
| 2011-03-16 23:24 <uranus> and a firewall called pfsense | ||
| 2011-03-16 23:24 <uranus> and they are just awesome | ||
| 2011-03-16 23:25 <uranus> this was after i built a firewall called m0n0wall | ||
| 2011-03-16 23:25 <uranus> which is supreme as well | ||
| 2011-03-16 23:26 <uranus> and those others are actually based on m0n0wall | ||
| 2011-03-16 23:26 <uranus> but are way more feature full | ||
| 2011-03-16 23:27 <uranus> thing about them is that you don't really have to know much/anything about bsd to use them for the most part | ||
| 2011-03-16 23:31 <plantian> wild, yeah I stopped doing firewall stuff a long time ago | ||
| 2011-03-16 23:34 <uranus> ok, reading up on the 'fork' ... maybe a false alarm | ||
| 2011-03-16 23:35 <uranus> actually the first non-ms type system that i ever got running and usable was a little netbsd base firewall project that loaded off a floppy disk | ||
| 2011-03-16 23:36 <uranus> and it worked very very well | ||
| 2011-03-16 23:36 <uranus> it was for a network in my building to share a dsl line | ||
| 2011-03-16 23:37 <uranus> back at the 'end' of the dialup days | ||
| 2011-03-16 23:37 <uranus> when dsl was all that and a bag o' potato chips |
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