| chat.freenode.net #tryton log beginning Sat Jan 22 00:00:04 CET 2011 | ||
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| 2011-01-22 10:53 <enlightx> cedk: i'm davidecorio ;-) | ||
| 2011-01-22 11:11 <cedk> enlightx: hi | ||
| 2011-01-22 11:11 <enlightx> cedk: hi, i completely agree with your position | ||
| 2011-01-22 11:12 <cedk> enlightx: I think having this kind of migration design is bad for the project | ||
| 2011-01-22 11:12 <enlightx> btw often it's not a matter of code | ||
| 2011-01-22 11:12 <enlightx> but also costs | ||
| 2011-01-22 11:12 <cedk> enlightx: it is not a good way to build a community arround a project | ||
| 2011-01-22 11:12 <enlightx> cedk: sure | ||
| 2011-01-22 11:12 <enlightx> agree | ||
| 2011-01-22 11:13 <enlightx> cedk: we are partners...but we won't use their migration services | ||
| 2011-01-22 11:13 <cedk> enlightx: but if you read carefully the quality certification process, you will see that you pay for submission but you have no warranty that the module will be certified | ||
| 2011-01-22 11:13 <enlightx> cedk: actually...they are quite flexibles | ||
| 2011-01-22 11:13 <cedk> enlightx: so I realy don't think it is a low cost process | ||
| 2011-01-22 11:14 <cedk> enlightx: of course, they are not very strict about quality (even for their own modules) | ||
| 2011-01-22 11:14 <enlightx> if we have problem with the certification, we just don't renew our partnership | ||
| 2011-01-22 11:14 <enlightx> so they lose money | ||
| 2011-01-22 11:15 <cedk> enlightx: they will not lose money, they just get as much as possible out of each partner | ||
| 2011-01-22 11:15 <enlightx> the value of the service is the price, our internal cost for the migration is higher | ||
| 2011-01-22 11:15 <cedk> enlightx: after that, the partner leaves and they get new one | ||
| 2011-01-22 11:16 <cedk> enlightx: of course, it cost much to you because it is not you who makes the change that break the data structure or the API | ||
| 2011-01-22 11:16 <enlightx> cedk: eheh... i know i know... but customers just understand $ :-) | ||
| 2011-01-22 11:16 <cedk> enlightx: but it is bad to put that cost on you because you just trusted the developper about his good practice | ||
| 2011-01-22 11:17 <enlightx> cedk: tryton's code/structure is better indeed | ||
| 2011-01-22 11:17 <enlightx> i'd really like to have time to contribute | ||
| 2011-01-22 11:17 <cedk> enlightx: we think in long term, not short term | ||
| 2011-01-22 11:18 <cedk> enlightx: I know pretty well the data migration issue of OE as I wrote most of the migration scripts for 4.x and 5.x | ||
| 2011-01-22 11:19 <cedk> enlightx: I even started to try to put a rule in OE to write the migration during the development process | ||
| 2011-01-22 11:19 <enlightx> cedk: i think that their services are just good marketing stuff for partners | ||
| 2011-01-22 11:19 <enlightx> we ussually create custom migration procedures using ooop or similar tools | ||
| 2011-01-22 11:19 <cedk> enlightx: but fp refuses to follow that and now I know it is just to lock customer/partner in this migration model | ||
| 2011-01-22 11:20 <enlightx> cedk: i hope they will change their mind soon | ||
| 2011-01-22 11:20 <cedk> enlightx: also we (B2CK) want to make business with truth and not marketing lies | ||
| 2011-01-22 11:20 <enlightx> openerp needs community driven migration procedures | ||
| 2011-01-22 11:21 <cedk> enlightx: and of course it is more difficult but it fits better with our mind | ||
| 2011-01-22 11:21 <enlightx> cedk: of course... i completely agree | ||
| 2011-01-22 11:21 <cedk> enlightx: OpenERP SA must be just a contributor as others and follow the same rules that's all | ||
| 2011-01-22 11:22 <enlightx> unfortunately it is not so easy to sell softwares like tryton becouse of the stronger marketing potential of openerp, openbravo and others... | ||
| 2011-01-22 11:22 <cedk> enlightx: I submit my modification to codereview | ||
| 2011-01-22 11:22 <cedk> enlightx: I see it is often easier when your customer has some technical background | ||
| 2011-01-22 11:23 <enlightx> cedk: exactly | ||
| 2011-01-22 11:23 <cedk> enlightx: the next release should be great with some good improvement in the client | ||
| 2011-01-22 11:24 <cedk> enlightx: also I expect that "community" will do the marketing stuffs | ||
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| 2011-01-22 11:25 <cedk> enlightx: I'm going | ||
| 2011-01-22 11:25 <cedk> ACTION bbl | ||
| 2011-01-22 11:25 <enlightx> cedk: are you working on the web client side? | ||
| 2011-01-22 11:25 <enlightx> ok, see you | ||
| 2011-01-22 11:41 <cedk> enlightx: not know | ||
| 2011-01-22 11:41 <cedk> enlightx: http://blogs.gnome.org/alexl/2010/11/26/gtk-3-0-html5-backend/ | ||
| 2011-01-22 11:42 <cedk> enlightx: I think it could be a good waiting solution | ||
| 2011-01-22 11:43 <cedk> enlightx: I will give a try and see if we could put it on the demo server | ||
| 2011-01-22 11:44 <enlightx> cedk: seems really interesting | ||
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| 2011-01-22 11:45 <cedk> enlightx: someone tells me it is pretty fast | ||
| 2011-01-22 11:46 <enlightx> i'm watching the demo video...cool! | ||
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| 2011-01-22 14:03 <kaludjer> hi to all | ||
| 2011-01-22 14:03 <cedk> kaludjer: hi | ||
| 2011-01-22 14:04 <cedk> kaludjer: first time here? | ||
| 2011-01-22 14:04 <kaludjer> would somebody be so kind to help me out ? | ||
| 2011-01-22 14:04 <kaludjer> yes | ||
| 2011-01-22 14:04 <kaludjer> I already looked over wiki and docs | ||
| 2011-01-22 14:04 <kaludjer> :) | ||
| 2011-01-22 14:04 <kaludjer> so I finnished here | ||
| 2011-01-22 14:05 <kaludjer> cant connect/create initial db | ||
| 2011-01-22 14:05 <cedk> kaludjer: ok, so don't ask to ask but just ask :-) | ||
| 2011-01-22 14:05 <kaludjer> server debian testing | ||
| 2011-01-22 14:05 <kaludjer> installed with packages | ||
| 2011-01-22 14:05 <kaludjer> client windows | ||
| 2011-01-22 14:05 <kaludjer> it gives me some error about locales | ||
| 2011-01-22 14:05 <kaludjer> when creating the db | ||
| 2011-01-22 14:06 <cedk> kaludjer: how do you create the database, from the client? | ||
| 2011-01-22 14:06 <kaludjer> yes | ||
| 2011-01-22 14:08 <kaludjer> the client I got is from the web site, in german, where can I change the lang ? | ||
| 2011-01-22 14:10 <cedk> kaludjer: it uses the default locale by default | ||
| 2011-01-22 14:11 <cedk> kaludjer: when you will get a database, you can change the language of the user | ||
| 2011-01-22 14:12 <cedk> kaludjer: what is the error when you create the database? | ||
| 2011-01-22 14:12 <kaludjer> ok, np. the lang must wait then | ||
| 2011-01-22 14:12 <kaludjer> just a sec, the daemon in not responding anymore to the client | ||
| 2011-01-22 14:17 <kaludjer> flood protection ? | ||
| 2011-01-22 14:18 <cedk> kaludjer: there is one on login | ||
| 2011-01-22 14:22 <kaludjer> will try to change locales | ||
| 2011-01-22 14:23 <cedk> ACTION bbl | ||
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| 2011-01-22 16:20 <kaludjer> is it a problem using client v1.8 to connect to 1.6.x ? | ||
| 2011-01-22 16:27 <cedk> kaludjer: yes | ||
| 2011-01-22 16:27 <cedk> kaludjer: only same major and minor release works together | ||
| 2011-01-22 16:29 <kaludjer> 1.6.x server is not compatible with 1.8 client :) | ||
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| 2011-01-22 16:35 <kaludjer> btw.. compination debian & postgres & tryton , should be a major faq there :)) | ||
| 2011-01-22 16:35 <kaludjer> even with packages avaliable | ||
| 2011-01-22 16:36 <kaludjer> from lang setting with locales in debian, reinitializing postgres db with utf8 | ||
| 2011-01-22 16:40 <Timitos> kaludjer: i already used the debian packages and had no problems with locales. if there are problems that should be solved please file an issue | ||
| 2011-01-22 16:40 <Timitos> kaludjer: did you see /usr/share/doc/tryton-server/README.Debian? | ||
| 2011-01-22 16:43 <cedk> Timitos: it seems the issue was that postgresql was not able to create utf-8 database | ||
| 2011-01-22 16:46 <Timitos> cedk: so the issue should not depend on the tryton debian packages | ||
| 2011-01-22 16:47 <cedk> Timitos: don't know | ||
| 2011-01-22 16:47 <kaludjer> my locales where set to en_US, after genereting en_US.UTF8, and reinitializing db, the rest was smoth | ||
| 2011-01-22 16:47 <cedk> Timitos: perhaps there is some configuration check to do on postgresql | ||
| 2011-01-22 16:48 <cedk> kaludjer: where? on the server I guess? | ||
| 2011-01-22 16:48 <kaludjer> the irc log of this channel helped a lot (from 6.2010.) :) | ||
| 2011-01-22 16:48 <kaludjer> cedk yes server | ||
| 2011-01-22 16:49 <Timitos> cedk: there is no db initialisation or postgresql configuration in the debian packages. it is left to the user. an howto is in /usr/share/doc/tryton-server/README.Debian as i said. | ||
| 2011-01-22 16:50 <cedk> kaludjer: it is just that it misses en_US.UTF-8 for libc ? | ||
| 2011-01-22 16:50 <cedk> Timitos: I don't know where to find the README.Debian | ||
| 2011-01-22 16:50 <kaludjer> Timitos yes, it is, but no where said about utf8 requerement | ||
| 2011-01-22 16:51 <kaludjer> cedk yup | ||
| 2011-01-22 16:51 <kaludjer> usr/share/doc/tryton-server/README.Debian | ||
| 2011-01-22 16:52 <kaludjer> hmmm... It might be also that when I switched from stable to testing, locales when blabla | ||
| 2011-01-22 16:53 <Timitos> cedk: http://git.debian-maintainers.org/?p=tryton/tryton-server.git;a=blob;f=debian/tryton-server.README.Debian;h=7b4ffe8622595b81563fe34fee5e8e234e50dfc6;hb=HEAD | ||
| 2011-01-22 16:54 <Timitos> cedk: kaludjer: if there are things that should be improved please file an issue and assign it to yangoon | ||
| 2011-01-22 16:56 <kaludjer> Timitos to the quiet man :) | ||
| 2011-01-22 16:56 <cedk> Timitos: yes, I think a comment about having UTF-8 locales on the system | ||
| 2011-01-22 16:57 <Timitos> kaludjer: what do you mean with 'quiet man'? | ||
| 2011-01-22 16:59 <kaludjer> Timitos just a joke | ||
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