| chat.freenode.net #tryton log beginning Thu Jun 10 00:00:02 CEST 2010 | ||
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| 2010-06-10 12:02 <Mithrandir> hi, so, I'm playing around with tryton and trying to work out how to get hours a timesheet to end up on an invoice | ||
| 2010-06-10 12:03 <Mithrandir> can somebody either walk me through it or point me at docs? | ||
| 2010-06-10 12:04 <cedk> Mithrandir: currently there is no wizard to make the invoice based on timesheet lines | ||
| 2010-06-10 12:04 <cedk> Mithrandir: the fundation are there | ||
| 2010-06-10 12:04 <Mithrandir> hmm, so one has to transfer them manually, or? | ||
| 2010-06-10 12:04 <cedk> Mithrandir: but we decide to not create the wizard because the way company invoice is a lot different and so we think it is part of customization | ||
| 2010-06-10 12:07 <Mithrandir> when you say wizard, you mean a thing where you'd say "new invoice" and then choose the relevant lines from a timesheet and make that part of the invoice, right? | ||
| 2010-06-10 12:07 <cedk> Mithrandir: there is a lot of possibilities: | ||
| 2010-06-10 12:07 <cedk> - a wizard on invoice (like you say) | ||
| 2010-06-10 12:08 <cedk> - a wizard on project | ||
| 2010-06-10 12:08 <cedk> - a wizard on timesheet lines | ||
| 2010-06-10 12:08 <cedk> etc. | ||
| 2010-06-10 12:08 <cedk> that is why we think the invoicing must go in separate module | ||
| 2010-06-10 12:08 <cedk> and for now, nobody has published one (to my knowledge) | ||
| 2010-06-10 12:22 <Mithrandir> sorry, got distracted by a phone call | ||
| 2010-06-10 12:23 <Mithrandir> ok, so that's either something we have to write ourselves or pay somebody to do, as it looks now. | ||
| 2010-06-10 12:24 <Mithrandir> to me, it looks like it's a fairly limited amount of stuff missing to be able to take hours off a project and put that into an invoice, since both the invoice module and the project and timesheet module exist? | ||
| 2010-06-10 12:25 <cedk> Mithrandir: yes | ||
| 2010-06-10 12:26 <cedk> Mithrandir: it will take small time to write the wizard you need | ||
| 2010-06-10 12:26 <cedk> Mithrandir: but you must define how it should work | ||
| 2010-06-10 12:26 <cedk> Mithrandir: because it will reflect your company politics about invoicing | ||
| 2010-06-10 12:27 <Mithrandir> (jfyi, I'm a sysadmin, not a finance/business person) | ||
| 2010-06-10 12:27 <Mithrandir> what kind of policies are you thinking about here? | ||
| 2010-06-10 12:27 <Mithrandir> if that question even makes sense | ||
| 2010-06-10 12:28 <cedk> Mithrandir: grouping by employee or job | ||
| 2010-06-10 12:29 <cedk> Mithrandir: which name the invoice line will have | ||
| 2010-06-10 12:29 <Mithrandir> ok. | ||
| 2010-06-10 12:29 <cedk> Mithrandir: which line to be invoiced (when done or % of progress etc) | ||
| 2010-06-10 12:30 <Mithrandir> ok, assuming we had answers to those questions, are you talking about hours, days, weeks or months to write code? | ||
| 2010-06-10 12:31 <cedk> Mithrandir: one day | ||
| 2010-06-10 12:32 <cedk> Mithrandir: except if your rules are really complicated :-) | ||
| 2010-06-10 12:33 <Mithrandir> they'll be slightly different on a per-customer basis. Some customers want more detail than others, for instance. | ||
| 2010-06-10 12:34 <cedk> Mithrandir: the wizard can have a selection for different rules | ||
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| 2010-06-10 12:38 <Mithrandir> ok, thanks for your answer, even if I'd have loved it to be "oh, just do $foo", rather than "code must be written. :-) | ||
| 2010-06-10 12:39 <Mithrandir> once I have an invoice that's open, how do I mark it as paid? I could do it by reconciling it, but isn't that something you usually do afterwards? | ||
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| 2010-06-10 13:31 <cedk> Mithrandir: reconciliation is the low level way | ||
| 2010-06-10 13:32 <cedk> Mithrandir: there is also pay button on invoice for simple accouting | ||
| 2010-06-10 13:32 <cedk> Mithrandir: or you can use the module account_statement | ||
| 2010-06-10 13:33 <Mithrandir> I can't find a button on the invoice. | ||
| 2010-06-10 13:33 <Mithrandir> I can credit it, but I don't have a pay button | ||
| 2010-06-10 13:34 <cedk> Mithrandir: do you have the account_statement module activated on the database ? | ||
| 2010-06-10 13:34 <Mithrandir> I thought so, let me check | ||
| 2010-06-10 13:34 <Mithrandir> yup | ||
| 2010-06-10 13:35 <cedk> Mithrandir: so the button is hidden because for concistancy you must now use statement | ||
| 2010-06-10 13:36 <Mithrandir> ah, ok. | ||
| 2010-06-10 13:36 <Mithrandir> so enabling all modules was a bad move. :-) | ||
| 2010-06-10 13:36 <Mithrandir> (I'm just testing and playing around, so worst case I can just nuke the DB) | ||
| 2010-06-10 13:39 <cedk> Mithrandir: yes, I really encourage everybody to install only required module | ||
| 2010-06-10 13:40 <Mithrandir> cedk: can I uninstall/disable modules or is it easier to just nuke it all and start over? | ||
| 2010-06-10 13:41 <cedk> Mithrandir: unistall is not implemented (really complicate) | ||
| 2010-06-10 13:41 <Mithrandir> ok | ||
| 2010-06-10 13:41 <Mithrandir> is there a list somewhere of which modules I'd typically want for a 40-50 people services company? | ||
| 2010-06-10 13:43 <cedk> Mithrandir: you must see module like a configuration | ||
| 2010-06-10 13:43 <cedk> Mithrandir: so there is no typical set | ||
| 2010-06-10 13:43 <cedk> Mithrandir: by the way, it is not necessary worst to install account_statement | ||
| 2010-06-10 13:43 <cedk> Mithrandir: it just change the way, you enter incoming amounts | ||
| 2010-06-10 13:44 <cedk> Mithrandir: for real accounting, it is better | ||
| 2010-06-10 13:44 <Mithrandir> cedk: ok, we'll want real accounting, given that that's why we're looking at ERP systems. :-) | ||
| 2010-06-10 13:44 <cedk> Mithrandir: so statement is good for you | ||
| 2010-06-10 13:45 <cedk> Mithrandir: do you know what is account statement? | ||
| 2010-06-10 13:45 <Mithrandir> cedk: no. | ||
| 2010-06-10 13:45 <Mithrandir> cedk: so pointers to documentation (or an explanation) is appreciated. :-) | ||
| 2010-06-10 13:45 <cedk> Mithrandir: first usage, is to enter bank statement in the system | ||
| 2010-06-10 13:46 <cedk> Mithrandir: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bank_statement | ||
| 2010-06-10 13:46 <Mithrandir> ok, that's just the list of transactions from the bank, got it. | ||
| 2010-06-10 13:47 <cedk> Mithrandir: there you can link transactions to invoice | ||
| 2010-06-10 13:47 <cedk> Mithrandir: if you want | ||
| 2010-06-10 13:47 <cedk> Mithrandir: or go to reconciliation menu and reconcile moves | ||
| 2010-06-10 13:48 <Mithrandir> cedk: a statement has an associated journal, what would I put there? | ||
| 2010-06-10 13:49 <Mithrandir> cedk: is that what I as a normal person would term an account or is that something else again? | ||
| 2010-06-10 13:50 <Mithrandir> (sorry about being so unfamiliar with terminology, it really doesn't help I'm not a native english speaker, I suspect) | ||
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| 2010-06-10 13:58 <Mithrandir> and what is the relation between a journal and a statement journal? A statement journal contains the individual statements? | ||
| 2010-06-10 14:07 <cedk> Mithrandir: statement journal contains individual statements | ||
| 2010-06-10 14:07 <cedk> Mithrandir: and use the journal define on it to create account moves | ||
| 2010-06-10 14:24 <Mithrandir> cedk: hmm, ok, so now I have the "new statement" open, but I can't find the open invoice when I try to associate a new statement line with the open invoice. | ||
| 2010-06-10 14:24 <Mithrandir> cedk: any idea what could be wrong? | ||
| 2010-06-10 14:30 <cedk> Mithrandir: did you put the same party ? | ||
| 2010-06-10 14:31 <Mithrandir> yes | ||
| 2010-06-10 14:31 <Mithrandir> cedk: do I need to put in a special account too? | ||
| 2010-06-10 14:33 <Mithrandir> ah, found it. | ||
| 2010-06-10 14:33 <Mithrandir> it needed a matching account. | ||
| 2010-06-10 14:34 <Mithrandir> ok, now the validate button claims "no period defined for this date" | ||
| 2010-06-10 14:42 <cedk> Mithrandir: you must create period in fiscal year | ||
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| 2010-06-10 14:50 <Mithrandir> cedk: indeed, thanks. | ||
| 2010-06-10 14:50 <Mithrandir> I need to poke it into using sensible formats for date fields. | ||
| 2010-06-10 14:50 <Mithrandir> (as in, 2010-06-10 or at worst d-m-y) | ||
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| 2010-06-10 14:52 <tuser> Hi there. Is there any how to install trytond in init.d using ubuntu? the debian descrition does not work :( | ||
| 2010-06-10 14:53 <Mithrandir> tuser: lucid has 1.4.3, and I think backporting 1.6.0 from maverick should be trivial. | ||
| 2010-06-10 14:54 <cedk> Mithrandir: you can configure the date format in administration>translation>languages | ||
| 2010-06-10 14:54 <tuser> I have not installed the packages. I did a manuall installation | ||
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| 2010-06-10 14:55 <tuser> So you suggest to install the packages and port? hmm could work. | ||
| 2010-06-10 14:55 <tuser> is there not an easy hack as an init script? | ||
| 2010-06-10 14:58 <cedk> tuser: look at the package it must have one | ||
| 2010-06-10 14:58 <Mithrandir> cedk: indeed, thanks. | ||
| 2010-06-10 15:01 <cedk> tuser: Tryton is well packages on Debian and is quite up todate | ||
| 2010-06-10 15:04 <tuser> I will try. | ||
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