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| 2010-03-10 16:52 <saxa> heh, today I received an openerp mail announcing their meeting, and saw that tryton is mentioned in it, | ||
| 2010-03-10 16:52 <saxa> i didnt knew tryton parts will be ported to openerp by their team :) | ||
| 2010-03-10 16:52 <cedk> saxa: could give a link to this? | ||
| 2010-03-10 16:53 <saxa> so tryton is a kind of experiment for openerp | ||
| 2010-03-10 16:53 <saxa> its attached to the mail i received in pdf | ||
| 2010-03-10 16:53 <saxa> i can mail it to you | ||
| 2010-03-10 16:54 <cedk> saxa: ok thx | ||
| 2010-03-10 16:54 <saxa> if you give me the mail where you want it | ||
| 2010-03-10 16:55 <cedk> saxa: I found Tryton is more a stable version of openerp :-) | ||
| 2010-03-10 16:56 <saxa> me too, and even much much improved | ||
| 2010-03-10 16:56 <saxa> i just need more time in a day to get back on doing all the stuff i want | ||
| 2010-03-10 17:13 <cedk> saxa: since the beginning they said that they will grab best solution from Tryton for OpenERP | ||
| 2010-03-10 17:14 <cedk> saxa: but in 2 years, I have seen nothing good | ||
| 2010-03-10 17:15 <cedk> saxa: but it is good for Tryton as OpenERP see in it a good inspiration | ||
| 2010-03-10 17:22 <saxa> of course , everything has its good side also | ||
| 2010-03-10 17:22 <saxa> honestly speaking i dont know what were your reasons to fork it at the time | ||
| 2010-03-10 17:22 <cedk> saxa: I think they can't see good improvement, you can see their discussion about Decimal | ||
| 2010-03-10 17:23 <saxa> have not saw that, i saw your mails to the ML about that decimal thing | ||
| 2010-03-10 17:24 <saxa> and about that, i tought, the precision of 6 is ok from what i can think | ||
| 2010-03-10 17:24 <cedk> saxa: https://lists.launchpad.net/openerp-expert-accounting/msg00082.html | ||
| 2010-03-10 17:24 <cedk> saxa: you can not rely on float computation if you require not fault computation | ||
| 2010-03-10 17:32 <saxa> i was thinking that this rounding thing should be done in the way we humans round | ||
| 2010-03-10 17:32 <saxa> cedk: i know float is not reliable | ||
| 2010-03-10 17:38 <saxa> so when you select a number of digits it just rounds depending on the last one | ||
| 2010-03-10 17:38 <saxa> being higher or lover of 5 | ||
| 2010-03-10 17:38 <saxa> s/lover/lower | ||
| 2010-03-10 17:56 <cedk> saxa: this is not an issue of rounding | ||
| 2010-03-10 17:56 <cedk> saxa: it is about precision | ||
| 2010-03-10 17:58 <cedk> saxa: I will surely send a new email to rvalyi to explain this | ||
| 2010-03-10 17:59 <cedk> saxa: and if it was only about rounding why OpenERP will use Numeric for database | ||
| 2010-03-10 18:18 <saxa> probably we dont understand one each other, cedk | ||
| 2010-03-10 18:18 <saxa> i was talking about trytons message you send about rounding | ||
| 2010-03-10 18:18 <saxa> few days ago | ||
| 2010-03-10 18:18 <saxa> or yesterday | ||
| 2010-03-10 18:24 <cedk> saxa: yes and rounding is not a solution | ||
| 2010-03-10 18:24 <cedk> saxa: only using Decimal is on | ||
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| 2010-03-10 19:20 <saxa> cedk: ok, could it be i have not understood well the problem in that case. | ||
| 2010-03-10 19:25 <cedk> saxa: in most case float will work. But we must define if we develope software that will work only by change or if we made strong software | ||
| 2010-03-10 19:26 <yangoon> cedk: it is perfect | ||
| 2010-03-10 19:26 <yangoon> it is the first software without rounding issues to my knowledge | ||
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| 2010-03-10 19:38 <cedk> yangoon: Are you sure? | ||
| 2010-03-10 19:41 <yangoon> cedk: *to my knowledge* means, all comparable softs of this level, I don't know about the big big ones | ||
| 2010-03-10 19:41 <yangoon> the key is to work with decimal | ||
| 2010-03-10 19:42 <cedk> yangoon: yes | ||
| 2010-03-10 19:42 <yangoon> it is surprising how many are using float | ||
| 2010-03-10 19:43 <cedk> yangoon: I worked for a company that makes business software for bank and they used a kind of Decimal in COBOL | ||
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| 2010-03-10 21:17 <saxa> cedk: ok, i agree, a software should work in all circumstances | ||
| 2010-03-10 21:18 <cedk> saxa: especially, if you make a platform :-) | ||
| 2010-03-10 21:19 <cedk> saxa: by the way, I found a lot of rounding issue when working on http://codereview.appspot.com/275044/show | ||
| 2010-03-10 21:21 <cedk> saxa: but I wrote unittest to prevent regression :-) | ||
| 2010-03-10 21:27 <saxa> great job | ||
| 2010-03-10 21:27 <saxa> another thing I wanted to know is about the parties. | ||
| 2010-03-10 21:28 <saxa> I found for example one interesting thing in dolibarr | ||
| 2010-03-10 21:28 <saxa> which is that dolibarr has 2 type of parties | ||
| 2010-03-10 21:29 <saxa> or better, one are confirmed ones, the customers and the suppliers which you work already with | ||
| 2010-03-10 21:29 <saxa> and another kind are those companies, which are just opportunities, or you dont work with them at the moment | ||
| 2010-03-10 21:29 <saxa> but they can be potential customers or suppliers | ||
| 2010-03-10 21:30 <cedk> saxa: I think that tagging parties with attributes like customer, supplier etc. is a wrong way | ||
| 2010-03-10 21:30 <cedk> saxa: I explain. What is a customer? It is a party that has buy you something | ||
| 2010-03-10 21:30 <saxa> correct | ||
| 2010-03-10 21:31 <cedk> saxa: A supplier is a party to which you have buy something | ||
| 2010-03-10 21:31 <saxa> both are parties | ||
| 2010-03-10 21:31 <saxa> immagine something like, party are the ones you work already and are real | ||
| 2010-03-10 21:32 <saxa> proposals are the other ones which are the first time contact | ||
| 2010-03-10 21:32 <cedk> saxa: so in Tryton, we have in sub-menu entry for customers, suppliers etc. | ||
| 2010-03-10 21:32 <saxa> and this is not bad, because sometimes it happens that some customer just asks you for a price or quote and then it doesnt buy anything | ||
| 2010-03-10 21:32 <saxa> its like a one day flies | ||
| 2010-03-10 21:33 <saxa> so those flies, in tryton you need to put them into the party group and they stay in there for ever | ||
| 2010-03-10 21:33 <cedk> saxa: why would you want to separate? | ||
| 2010-03-10 21:34 <cedk> saxa: yes, why would you want to remove it? | ||
| 2010-03-10 21:34 <saxa> in dolibarr for example its just an oportunity , which becomes a party if he buys something | ||
| 2010-03-10 21:34 <saxa> because he has never ever more contacted me | ||
| 2010-03-10 21:34 <cedk> saxa: what is the advantage? I see only disavantage, you must convert it | ||
| 2010-03-10 21:34 <saxa> ok you convert it by one click | ||
| 2010-03-10 21:34 <cedk> saxa: and what? | ||
| 2010-03-10 21:35 <cedk> saxa: yes and you have duplicate data | ||
| 2010-03-10 21:35 <saxa> but the advantage is that you dont end up with a database of a lot of names which you never ever see anymore | ||
| 2010-03-10 21:35 <cedk> saxa: and what is the problem? space costs nothing | ||
| 2010-03-10 21:35 <saxa> why you should have duplicate data ? | ||
| 2010-03-10 21:35 <cedk> saxa: see gmail, they never delete any email | ||
| 2010-03-10 21:36 <cedk> saxa: and you will never know if the guys will not come back | ||
| 2010-03-10 21:36 <saxa> correct, but you dont need to present a list of suppliers and customer to the tax department like here in Italy | ||
| 2010-03-10 21:36 <cedk> saxa: it doesn't change anything | ||
| 2010-03-10 21:36 <saxa> we in Italy need to send a list of "official" customers and suppliers | ||
| 2010-03-10 21:36 <udono> saxa: I thing tagging parties is a good way, not to separate them on a ground level. And a party can be both, confirmed customer, but opportunity for another project. | ||
| 2010-03-10 21:37 <cedk> saxa: and in belgium, you must provide a list of VAT customer and VAT supplier | ||
| 2010-03-10 21:37 <saxa> it changes when you need to print the list of customers and of suppliers | ||
| 2010-03-10 21:37 <saxa> udono: that can work es | ||
| 2010-03-10 21:37 <cedk> saxa: no problem to do that | ||
| 2010-03-10 21:38 <udono> saxa: party is a container for all paties in tryton, like account is a container for all accounts. | ||
| 2010-03-10 21:38 <saxa> ok | ||
| 2010-03-10 21:38 <cedk> saxa: it is based on well know designer | ||
| 2010-03-10 21:38 <cedk> udono: what is the name again? | ||
| 2010-03-10 21:38 <udono> Kelvin Klein | ||
| 2010-03-10 21:38 <saxa> i tought it was not possible to separate or sub group them | ||
| 2010-03-10 21:39 <cedk> udono: Larson ? | ||
| 2010-03-10 21:39 <udono> :-) | ||
| 2010-03-10 21:39 <cedk> saxa: there is group | ||
| 2010-03-10 21:39 <udono> Len Silverston | ||
| 2010-03-10 21:39 <cedk> saxa: but for customer, supplier the information comes from sale and purchase | ||
| 2010-03-10 21:39 <cedk> udono: yes | ||
| 2010-03-10 21:40 <cedk> saxa: by the way, there is a proto for sale opportunity: http://mercurial.intuxication.org/hg/sale_opportunity | ||
| 2010-03-10 21:41 <udono> and Martin Fowler Martin see http://martinfowler.com/apsupp/roles.pdf | ||
| 2010-03-10 21:41 <cedk> saxa: you can see how we thought about the concept of oppotunity/leads | ||
| 2010-03-10 21:43 <saxa> let me check | ||
| 2010-03-10 21:44 <cedk> ACTION lunch | ||
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| 2010-03-10 23:18 <cedk> ACTION back | ||
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