| chat.freenode.net #tryton log beginning Sun Aug 30 00:00:02 CEST 2009 | ||
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| 2009-08-30 09:14 <gour> morning | ||
| 2009-08-30 09:15 <gour> in my attempt to find something better than GNUmed, i found out about openerp & its Medical EMR. while exploring them i saw a reference to tryton. how does it compare with openerp-5.x and is there any EMR module for tryton on horizon? | ||
| 2009-08-30 09:19 <cedk> gour: not in my knowldege | ||
| 2009-08-30 09:20 <cedk> gour: but it must not be difficult to port the module from OpenERP to Tryton | ||
| 2009-08-30 09:23 <gour> cedk: hmm, for now i still have problem installing 'medical' in openerp (sent email with the trace to dev), and i need something like 'lite' version of it considering our 'clinic' is very small (two persons doing counselling & homeopathic treatment) | ||
| 2009-08-30 09:24 <gour> it looks, that tryton is more open than openerp, right? | ||
| 2009-08-30 09:24 <cedk> gour: I checked the source code of medical module, I think in one day, you can port the module to Tryton | ||
| 2009-08-30 09:24 <gour> cedk: so, the development of tryton is (still) very similar to openerp? | ||
| 2009-08-30 09:24 <cedk> gour: it was one of our goals for the fork :-) | ||
| 2009-08-30 09:25 <gour> what about the dev-docs? | ||
| 2009-08-30 09:25 <cedk> gour: most of principals are still there | ||
| 2009-08-30 09:25 <gour> ACTION is learning python for his django (aka: web needs) | ||
| 2009-08-30 09:25 <cedk> gour: there is http://doc.tryton.org/1.2/trytond/doc/index.html | ||
| 2009-08-30 09:26 <cedk> gour: not complet but a starting point, otherwise there is irc and mailling-list | ||
| 2009-08-30 09:26 <gour> good | ||
| 2009-08-30 09:27 <gour> i saw there is thunderbird module for openerp to handle email. something similar for tryton? (although i mostly use gnus & claws-mail) | ||
| 2009-08-30 09:29 <cedk> gour: not realy, we take a different approch | ||
| 2009-08-30 09:29 <gour> gnumed could satisfy our needs, but it's packaged very badly and uses wxpython which i'd like to avoid...that's why i'm leaning towards something like openerp/tryton | ||
| 2009-08-30 09:29 <cedk> gour: we have developped a CardDAV module | ||
| 2009-08-30 09:29 <cedk> http://hg.tryton.org/hgwebdir.cgi/modules/party_vcarddav/ | ||
| 2009-08-30 09:30 <cedk> it allow to retreive parties as contact on any software that handle CardDAV/WebDAV | ||
| 2009-08-30 09:30 <cedk> and also creation | ||
| 2009-08-30 09:31 <gour> hmm | ||
| 2009-08-30 09:31 <cedk> so most of email software: Thunderbird, Evolution, Outlook (with plugin), Kontact | ||
| 2009-08-30 09:32 <cedk> gour: what is the feature, you are looking for with the thunderbird plugin? | ||
| 2009-08-30 09:33 <gour> cedk: well, i'm not 100% sure what thunderbird plugin does...supposing it integrates email stuff with openerp? | ||
| 2009-08-30 09:34 <gour> cedk: e.g. http://doc.openerp.com/book/2/2_6_Comms/2_6_Comms_thunderbird.html | ||
| 2009-08-30 09:34 <cedk> gour: also, I think a big difference between Tryton and OpenERP, is the release process | ||
| 2009-08-30 09:35 <cedk> gour: we use series for release in which API is keept compatible | ||
| 2009-08-30 09:35 <cedk> gour: and maintain for long time | ||
| 2009-08-30 09:35 <gour> cedk: heh, i did not dive into docs (yet), so still have to figure out how those systems work...however, i assume they provide more RAD frameworks than working with wxpython in gnumed | ||
| 2009-08-30 09:36 <gour> cedk: openerp often changes its API? | ||
| 2009-08-30 09:37 <cedk> gour: yes, with Tryton or OpenERP, you focus on modelisation of objects and not to the GUI | ||
| 2009-08-30 09:37 <cedk> gour: yes, if you look at the forum, there is many complain about this | ||
| 2009-08-30 09:38 <cedk> gour: http://www.openobject.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=42270 | ||
| 2009-08-30 09:38 <cedk> gour: it is the last one | ||
| 2009-08-30 09:39 <gour> huh, There have already been major changes between the 5.0.1 and the | ||
| 2009-08-30 09:39 <gour> 5.0.2. minor release, that's bad..."ok, let me try this way...by explaining our needs, then we can deduce what could be better system for us, ok? | ||
| 2009-08-30 09:39 <cedk> our release policy: http://code.google.com/p/tryton/wiki/ReleaseGeneral | ||
| 2009-08-30 09:40 <cedk> gour: ok, but perhaps it is better to write an email on the mailling list, there will be more people than today on irc | ||
| 2009-08-30 09:41 <gour> i like this: "# The server and the client are released: * at the same time; * under the same version number;" | ||
| 2009-08-30 09:41 <cedk> gour: also at fixed date | ||
| 2009-08-30 09:41 <gour> gnumed has server-v11 which is supposed to work with client-v0.5 :-/ | ||
| 2009-08-30 09:42 <gour> cedk: you're one of the main forces behind tryton? | ||
| 2009-08-30 09:42 <cedk> gour: release 1.4.0 is planned for October 19 | ||
| 2009-08-30 09:42 <cedk> gour: yes, I'm | ||
| 2009-08-30 09:42 <gour> cedk: so,i believe that you can tell me if tryton is ok for our needs | ||
| 2009-08-30 09:43 <cedk> gour: part of B2CK: http://www.b2ck.com/ | ||
| 2009-08-30 09:43 <gour> i read that 'comparison' document which was on that domain :-) | ||
| 2009-08-30 09:44 <cedk> gour: ok, it is pretty old now and I don't keep it up to date | ||
| 2009-08-30 09:45 <gour> it does not matter, it brought me to tryton as alternative for our needs ;) | ||
| 2009-08-30 09:45 <gour> can i attempt to (briefly) describe our needs? | ||
| 2009-08-30 09:45 <cedk> gour: yes, I just mean that there is more and more difference now :-) | ||
| 2009-08-30 09:46 <gour> cedk: heh, on the forum they were saying the opposite :-D | ||
| 2009-08-30 09:46 <cedk> gour: ok, but I'll leave in about 15 min. | ||
| 2009-08-30 09:46 <gour> ok, i'll be short | ||
| 2009-08-30 09:47 <gour> i'm doing counselling work and my wife (who is GP doctor) does homeopathy...we need kind of simple EMR system to keep track of clients & records of their treatments let's assume that port of medical can do the work) | ||
| 2009-08-30 09:48 <gour> so, besides keeping the record of patient we need some billing & invoicing system to keep track of bills and print nice PDFs to the clients | ||
| 2009-08-30 09:50 <gour> no need for stock etc., so typical for ERPs..with GNUmed we'd use something like simpleinvoices but i'm sure openerp/tryton can handle this in one package. of course, simialr to openrp, we'd need some document management, i.e. to attach documents to the patient's record...some scheduling capabilities and having something like GTD could be nice, although we can use emacs' org-mode as well | ||
| 2009-08-30 09:50 <gour> what do you think about tryton for such workflow? | ||
| 2009-08-30 09:51 <cedk> gour: I think all can be done in Tryton | ||
| 2009-08-30 09:51 <cedk> gour: Tryton is already use in small company for invoicing | ||
| 2009-08-30 09:51 <cedk> gour: if medical module is ok for you, the port to Tryton can be done in 1 day | ||
| 2009-08-30 09:52 <cedk> gour: the WebDAV functionnality can be use to attach documents to patient | ||
| 2009-08-30 09:52 <cedk> gour: for GTD, we don't have it but it is my colleague who write it for OpenERP :-) | ||
| 2009-08-30 09:54 <gour> cedk: ohh, that's nice to hear...we do not need accounting - it will be done separately by proffessional, only printing/emailing invoices | ||
| 2009-08-30 09:54 <gour> cedk: you can persuade your friend to port GTD module to tryton ;) | ||
| 2009-08-30 09:54 <cedk> gour: in Tryton, there will be the account module but with the simple account chart 5 accounts that help to handle the paiement of invoice | ||
| 2009-08-30 09:55 <gour> btw, i like you have mailing list & active IRC - #openobject is quite dead and, afaik, no ml, only forums | ||
| 2009-08-30 09:56 <gour> based on that i read, tryton docs are more up-to-date than openerp, is it true? | ||
| 2009-08-30 09:56 <cedk> gour: on summer sunday, it is a little dead :-) | ||
| 2009-08-30 09:57 <cedk> gour: I don't know, I don't read openerp doc, but we have docs for each version instead of openerp who has only last version doc | ||
| 2009-08-30 09:57 <gour> cedk: i was trying #openobject during the week as well...could even get proper info about compatibility with python-2.6 which is default on archlinux | ||
| 2009-08-30 09:58 <cedk> gour: I will make a release monday, that fix compatibility with python 2.6 for Tryton serie 1.0 and 1.2 | ||
| 2009-08-30 09:59 <gour> since i haven't invested much time in reading openerp docs - just downloaded pdfs yesterday, i can try with tryton as well...is there any use of reading openerp's docs to become more familiar with architecture or everything is covered by tryton docs as well? | ||
| 2009-08-30 09:59 <gour> ACTION notices that archlinux has only old 1.0.3 package in AUR | ||
| 2009-08-30 10:00 <cedk> gour: reading openerp docs will help you also to understand Tryton | ||
| 2009-08-30 10:00 <gour> there are 3 pkgs - tryton, trytond & trytond_addons, this is usual scenario? | ||
| 2009-08-30 10:01 <cedk> gour: as I told you it is not a big issue to use old serie as we still maintain it | ||
| 2009-08-30 10:01 <gour> cedk: good, we'll make some use of it then | ||
| 2009-08-30 10:01 <cedk> gour: I don't know what is it in trytond_addons? | ||
| 2009-08-30 10:01 <cedk> gour: we prefer to have separate package per modules | ||
| 2009-08-30 10:02 <cedk> gour: as we make separate release of modules | ||
| 2009-08-30 10:02 <gour> cedk: yes, but the package is orphaned, so i may adopt it if i get a 'feeling for it...addons contains modules, afaict | ||
| 2009-08-30 10:03 <gour> my main concern in regards to openerp/tryton is how much one can tailor it for one's own needs, which in our case means mostly stripping the extra baggage we do not need | ||
| 2009-08-30 10:03 <cedk> gour: args... it is not very good, it happens often that we make a new release for a module because of a bug | ||
| 2009-08-30 10:03 <gour> let me check your dl page | ||
| 2009-08-30 10:03 <cedk> gour: in Tryton, you don't need to strip any thing because all is in separate modules | ||
| 2009-08-30 10:04 <cedk> gour: where is the package of archlinux? | ||
| 2009-08-30 10:04 <gour> cedk: http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?O=0&K=tryton&do_Search=Go | ||
| 2009-08-30 10:05 <gour> then it seems that it would be better to have each module in separate package, right? | ||
| 2009-08-30 10:05 <cedk> gour: yes | ||
| 2009-08-30 10:05 <gour> ACTION likes modularization | ||
| 2009-08-30 10:05 <gour> ok | ||
| 2009-08-30 10:05 <cedk> gour: I guess the guys who makes the package know OpenERP and make the samething | ||
| 2009-08-30 10:06 <gour> :-) | ||
| 2009-08-30 10:06 <cedk> s/same thing/same mistake/ :-) | ||
| 2009-08-30 10:07 <gour> ACTION joined the tryon group (via web for now) | ||
| 2009-08-30 10:08 <gour> so, 1.2.0 has some issues with py-2.6? | ||
| 2009-08-30 10:09 <gour> s/1.2.0/1.2.1 | ||
| 2009-08-30 10:09 <cedk> gour: the server only | ||
| 2009-08-30 10:09 <cedk> gour: and it is simply that it doesn't stop properly | ||
| 2009-08-30 10:09 <cedk> gour: you need to kill it | ||
| 2009-08-30 10:10 <gour> that's not a big problem while evaluating it... | ||
| 2009-08-30 10:10 <cedk> gour: otherwise, it works. I'm on python 2.6 since 2 weeks | ||
| 2009-08-30 10:10 <gour> cedk: which distro you run? | ||
| 2009-08-30 10:10 <cedk> gour: Gentoo | ||
| 2009-08-30 10:11 <gour> i used gentoo for 5yrs before switching to arch 2yrs ago | ||
| 2009-08-30 10:11 <cedk> gour: I'm Gentoo dev | ||
| 2009-08-30 10:12 <gour> heh, that's why your name sounded familiar to me ;) | ||
| 2009-08-30 10:12 <cedk> gour: archlinux seems to have the same kind of package manager ? | ||
| 2009-08-30 10:12 <gour> it uses pacman | ||
| 2009-08-30 10:12 <cedk> gour: I mean BSD style | ||
| 2009-08-30 10:12 <gour> my main concern with gentoo was that amd64 was too ancient, and ~amd64 to broken | ||
| 2009-08-30 10:13 <gour> yep | ||
| 2009-08-30 10:13 <gour> someone nicely said that arch is gentoo with binaries :-) | ||
| 2009-08-30 10:13 <cedk> gour: I was also a employee of Tiny who owns OpenERP | ||
| 2009-08-30 10:14 <gour> i do not need to build everything from the source, but it's still very easy to build from source tarballs | ||
| 2009-08-30 10:14 <gour> cedk: heh, than you're very aware of all of its good & bad points | ||
| 2009-08-30 10:14 <cedk> gour: is it easy to add your own package, like in Gentoo with /usr/local/portage/ | ||
| 2009-08-30 10:15 <cedk> gour: is archlinux works on mips? | ||
| 2009-08-30 10:15 <gour> cedk: yes, you can have your own local repo, or just write pkgbuild script and upload to AUR - no need to wait review for ebuild 'bug' | ||
| 2009-08-30 10:16 <gour> i don't thinks so. it's i686/x86_64 only...gentoo runs on much more archs | ||
| 2009-08-30 10:16 <gour> but it's good enough for me | ||
| 2009-08-30 10:17 <gour> cedk: http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Arch_vs_Others#Arch_vs_Gentoo | ||
| 2009-08-30 10:17 <cedk> gour: args, I'm going to buy a lemote and was thinking that it will be good to not compile everything :-( | ||
| 2009-08-30 10:18 <gour> cedk: so it would be possible to achieve the same functionality of thunderbird plugin (mentioned here http://doc.openerp.com/book/2/2_6_Comms/2_6_Comms_thunderbird.html) in tryton with that module? | ||
| 2009-08-30 10:18 <cedk> gour: not to upload emails into server | ||
| 2009-08-30 10:19 <gour> ACTION is thinking about something like hp's mininote 2140 as next laptop | ||
| 2009-08-30 10:19 <cedk> gour: but I think it should be better to achieve this in other way than with a plugin | ||
| 2009-08-30 10:19 <cedk> gour: perhaps a mailserver script or the server that fetch copy of emails | ||
| 2009-08-30 10:20 <cedk> I need to leave now | ||
| 2009-08-30 10:20 <gour> cedk: ok, thanks a lot for your input | ||
| 2009-08-30 10:20 <cedk> ACTION will be back tomorow | ||
| 2009-08-30 10:20 <cedk> gour: bye | ||
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| 2009-08-30 13:50 <gour> hi, i see in demo that e.g. there is 'tree view' for Invoices, i.e. Invoicec --> Invoices --> New Invoice etc. is it possible to see record data as 'tree' instead as 'list' ? | ||
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