IRC logs of #tryton for Tuesday, 2009-06-02

chat.freenode.net #tryton log beginning Tue Jun 2 00:00:02 CEST 2009
2009-06-02 00:00 <cedk> vengfulsquirrel: oups ok, I understand now your question
2009-06-02 00:00 <cedk> vengfulsquirrel: it depends of the taxes, the country law etc.
2009-06-02 00:07 <vengfulsquirrel> I'm just creating sales tax, its a percentage of the total and it depends on the location I guess.
2009-06-02 00:08 <vengfulsquirrel> I just re-pulled everything after like 3-4 weeks and all my modules are still working which is amazing by the way, good work.
2009-06-02 00:13 <cedk> vengfulsquirrel: I think you should create tax rule that add this tax on every products
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2009-06-02 00:18 <cedk> vengfulsquirrel: but you must know excatly what is the rule for this taxes
2009-06-02 00:22 <vengfulsquirrel> Are tax rules meant to be created from customized templates on a company by company basis ?
2009-06-02 00:22 <vengfulsquirrel> cedk:*
2009-06-02 00:23 <cedk> vengfulsquirrel: why not
2009-06-02 00:24 <vengfulsquirrel> I just meant 'is that what they are for?', I created one but all you can put in is the tax and the name of the company.
2009-06-02 00:26 <cedk> vengfulsquirrel: I don't understand
2009-06-02 00:30 <vengfulsquirrel> What is a Tax Rule for ? What is the behaviour ? Is it so I don't have to add the tax to every product on every sale line ?
2009-06-02 00:30 <cedk> vengfulsquirrel: it is to modify default taxes depending of the paty
2009-06-02 00:31 <vengfulsquirrel> Okay so when I'm creating sale lines the tax will automatically be added to them, yeah that sounds good.
2009-06-02 00:33 <cedk> vengfulsquirrel: only if it depends of the party
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2009-06-02 09:15 <MarkusB> hi
2009-06-02 09:16 <juanfer> hi MarkusB
2009-06-02 09:16 <MarkusB> is this english or german channel?
2009-06-02 09:17 <MarkusB> english, i guess ^^
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2009-06-02 09:17 <juanfer> I think that is english, but I'm not totally sure
2009-06-02 09:18 <juanfer> try #tryton-de
2009-06-02 09:18 <MarkusB> does'nt matter
2009-06-02 09:19 <MarkusB> maybe someone can help me. I played around with Tryton this weekend and it looks pretty nice for the first look. But i miss some functions
2009-06-02 09:20 <juanfer> Whell you coul send a mail listing all this functions, and some one could think that could be usefull.
2009-06-02 09:20 <MarkusB> for examle articles with part lists
2009-06-02 09:21 <MarkusB> first i want to know if these functions are there or not
2009-06-02 09:22 <vengfulsquirrel> What are the functions ? What do you mean articles with part lists ?
2009-06-02 09:22 <MarkusB> an article assembled with other articles
2009-06-02 09:24 <MarkusB> for example: you have the articles Tire, Door, Window, Motor.. and you have the article Car with the part list Motor - 1x, Door - 4x, Tire - 4x and so on
2009-06-02 09:24 <cedk> MarkusB: it is production that we have not yet
2009-06-02 09:25 <MarkusB> ah, ok.
2009-06-02 09:25 <MarkusB> thanks good, i'm not blind ;)
2009-06-02 09:26 <MarkusB> the other thing i miss are graduated prices, or scale prices or however this is called
2009-06-02 09:28 <cedk> MarkusB: how do you want it works?
2009-06-02 09:30 <MarkusB> just a list
2009-06-02 09:30 <MarkusB> 1 pcs - 10€
2009-06-02 09:30 <MarkusB> 10 pcs - 9€
2009-06-02 09:30 <MarkusB> 25 pcs - 8€
2009-06-02 09:30 <MarkusB> and so on
2009-06-02 09:31 <cedk> MarkusB: ok, it can be done with a little module (everything is ready for this)
2009-06-02 09:31 <cedk> MarkusB: it can be something similar to want we have for purchase price
2009-06-02 09:31 <MarkusB> sounds great.
2009-06-02 09:32 <MarkusB> maybe i can find some time to take a closer look how it works. than i try to write my own module.
2009-06-02 09:33 <MarkusB> until now i'm using Lexware, but i want to switch completly to linux and lexware is the last software that binds me to windows
2009-06-02 09:34 <MarkusB> and tryton is the first software, that can replace the lexware software.
2009-06-02 09:34 <MarkusB> brb
2009-06-02 09:34 <vengfulsquirrel> cedk: That tax rule you talked about earlier, does that work with party categories at all ? So that all customers of a certain category have a certain tax applied to them?
2009-06-02 09:35 <cedk> vengfulsquirrel: no, it is only linked to party
2009-06-02 09:38 <vengfulsquirrel> cedk: Okay thanks, hey also I have some questions about the documentation
2009-06-02 09:39 <vengfulsquirrel> cedk: http://code.google.com/p/tryton/wiki/DocumentationModules there is mention of DocumentationClient do you mean more generically all the trytond and tryton documentation ?
2009-06-02 09:42 <cedk> vengfulsquirrel: I don't know, I have not written this
2009-06-02 09:45 <vengfulsquirrel> Okay I'm going to fix it to be how I think it was meant to be written.
2009-06-02 09:49 <MarkusB> re
2009-06-02 09:52 <MarkusB> cedk, is there a good API Documentation to write own Modules?
2009-06-02 09:53 <cedk> MarkusB: you can look at http://doc.tryton.org/
2009-06-02 09:56 <MarkusB> mhm, ok. i will take a look. thx. i guess, i can ask here if i have questions
2009-06-02 09:57 <cedk> MarkusB: we could try to improve the doc with your questions
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2009-06-02 10:07 <cedk> MarkusB: an other way is to look at the code of some simple modules like party, country, currency
2009-06-02 10:09 <vengfulsquirrel> cedk: Okay wait I think I'm confused, are there existing guidelines for writing these: http://doc.tryton.org/1.2/modules/index.html ?
2009-06-02 10:13 <cedk> vengfulsquirrel: not yet
2009-06-02 10:13 <vengfulsquirrel> Okay well I think that's what this file was meant to be.
2009-06-02 10:13 <vengfulsquirrel> *wiki page
2009-06-02 10:15 <cedk> vengfulsquirrel: yes, it is udono who wrote it
2009-06-02 10:17 <vengfulsquirrel> Okay it was a good idea
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2009-06-02 10:57 <CIA-48> vengfulsquirrel * r614 /wiki/DocumentationModules.wiki: Fixed up guidelines for documenting modules.
2009-06-02 10:57 <CIA-48> vengfulsquirrel * r615 /wiki/DocumentationModules.wiki: Made note to not duplicate the module's __tryton__.py file.
2009-06-02 10:57 <CIA-48> vengfulsquirrel * r616 /wiki/DocumentationModules.wiki: Removed need for version from the template since it will make it annoying to maintain.
2009-06-02 11:39 <MarkusB> cedk, ok, i will take a look. i hope, the simple modules are simple enough for me ;)
2009-06-02 11:40 <cedk> MarkusB: we try to make clear code
2009-06-02 11:40 <MarkusB> :)
2009-06-02 11:41 <MarkusB> cedk, the code is one thing, the general structure is something different
2009-06-02 11:42 <MarkusB> or to understand WHAT you programmed is more difficult than understand HOW you programmed it
2009-06-02 11:42 <cedk> MarkusB: for me the best way is to dive into the code
2009-06-02 11:43 <cedk> MarkusB: but for the module you talked, you don't need to understand too much of the framework
2009-06-02 11:46 <MarkusB> cedk, there is a special module i want. i have a place for packing my parcels and i want a programm that tells me what's the next order i have to pack and that tells me step by step what i have to put into the package
2009-06-02 11:47 <MarkusB> with barcode scanner support
2009-06-02 11:48 <cedk> MarkusB: a kind of wizard that run over shipments?
2009-06-02 11:50 <MarkusB> something like this
2009-06-02 11:54 <MarkusB> cedk, there are lots of things i need for my business that most software does not support. for example prepayment or COD.
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2009-06-02 13:05 <cedk> MarkusB: what is COD?
2009-06-02 13:06 <MarkusB> cedk, cash on delivery
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2009-06-02 13:09 <cedk> MarkusB: so with reduction?
2009-06-02 13:11 <MarkusB> reduction?
2009-06-02 13:12 <cedk> MarkusB: the price is lower if pay in cash
2009-06-02 13:12 <cedk> MarkusB: or simply the invoice is generated at delivery?
2009-06-02 13:13 <MarkusB> no. same price. but the customer has to pay to the postman if he receives the package
2009-06-02 13:13 <MarkusB> and the parcel service transfers the money to my bank account
2009-06-02 13:14 <cedk> MarkusB: so what do you expect in Tryton?
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2009-06-02 13:16 <MarkusB> i think COD ist not the problem. and maybe prepayment can be handled with proforma invoices
2009-06-02 13:17 <MarkusB> let me play a while with tryton to find out what i need
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2009-06-02 13:54 <CIA-48> Mathias Behrle <mathiasb@behrle.dyndns.org> default * 161:dfd7853cadab company/de_DE.csv: Update translation for de_DE
2009-06-02 13:54 <CIA-48> http://hg.tryton.org/modules/company/rev/dfd7853cadab
2009-06-02 13:54 <CIA-48> Mathias Behrle <mathiasb@behrle.dyndns.org> default * 283:6cbf5fdbd4f7 party/de_DE.csv: Update translation for de_DE
2009-06-02 13:54 <CIA-48> http://hg.tryton.org/modules/party/rev/6cbf5fdbd4f7
2009-06-02 13:54 <CIA-48> Mathias Behrle <mathiasb@behrle.dyndns.org> default * 15:3c01235bd6cc party_vcarddav/de_DE.csv: Update translation for de_DE
2009-06-02 13:54 <CIA-48> http://hg.tryton.org/modules/party_vcarddav/rev/3c01235bd6cc
2009-06-02 13:54 <CIA-48> Mathias Behrle <mathiasb@behrle.dyndns.org> default * 59:47bb752b7003 project/de_DE.csv: Update translation for de_DE
2009-06-02 13:54 <CIA-48> http://hg.tryton.org/modules/project/rev/47bb752b7003
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2009-06-02 14:10 <CIA-48> Mathias Behrle <mathiasb@behrle.dyndns.org> default * 1324:f2244fe4d64f tryton/share/locale/de_DE/LC_MESSAGES/ (tryton.mo tryton.po): Update translation for de_DE
2009-06-02 14:10 <CIA-48> http://hg.tryton.org/tryton/rev/f2244fe4d64f
2009-06-02 14:11 <MarkusB> cedk, i have a question to the trytond.conf: the tryton server try to connect the postgresql server with the name of the linux user. do i have to add the user to the trytond.conf?
2009-06-02 14:11 <MarkusB> db_user?
2009-06-02 14:13 <cedk> MarkusB: yes
2009-06-02 14:13 <MarkusB> thx
2009-06-02 14:14 <MarkusB> what's the default port?
2009-06-02 14:18 <cedk> MarkusB: by default it uses socket I think
2009-06-02 14:27 <CIA-48> matb roundup * #1072/client: typo: [new] patch attached
2009-06-02 14:27 <CIA-48> http://bugs.tryton.org/roundup/issue1072
2009-06-02 14:45 <MarkusB> cedk, i have a problem to create a new database und currently i have no idea what's wrong
2009-06-02 14:47 <MarkusB> the client tells me, that the tryton server password seems to be wrong
2009-06-02 14:48 <cedk> MarkusB: Are you sure you put the right password?
2009-06-02 14:48 <cedk> MarkusB: it is admin_passwd in trytond.conf
2009-06-02 14:52 <MarkusB> ok, that was a stupid mistake
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2009-06-02 15:47 <MarkusB> wouldnt it be better to use seperate fields for street and house number?
2009-06-02 15:49 <cedk> MarkusB: why? do you need to have report on number?
2009-06-02 15:50 <MarkusB> i need it for Hermes, if i want to print shipping lables
2009-06-02 15:50 <MarkusB> they have seperate fields for street and number
2009-06-02 15:51 <MarkusB> i can use the same field for street and number, but the length is limited
2009-06-02 15:52 <cedk> MarkusB: I find it is complicate the software for no advantage as there is different way to display addresses by country
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2009-06-02 15:56 <MarkusB> yes, but in my case it would be an advantage, because i want to export the delivery address to an CSV File which i can import at the Hermes Page. Than i can print the shipping lables. If Street and House Number are in the same Field i have to change it manualy after the import
2009-06-02 15:58 <MarkusB> it would be also nice if the first and last name are in seperate fields
2009-06-02 15:59 <MarkusB> because many of my customers are private customers, not business customers
2009-06-02 15:59 <cedk> MarkusB: and what about three part names like some asian people
2009-06-02 16:00 <cedk> MarkusB: do you need to search by firstname?
2009-06-02 16:02 <MarkusB> no. but in some cases it would be nice to have only the last name, like in a Letter. For example "Dear Mr. &lastname,"
2009-06-02 16:02 <MarkusB> and Hermes also has seperate Fields for first and last name.
2009-06-02 16:02 <cedk> MarkusB: what is Hermes?
2009-06-02 16:03 <MarkusB> Parcel Service like UPS
2009-06-02 16:03 <cedk> MarkusB: and how do you do with company?
2009-06-02 16:04 <MarkusB> A Title (like Mr. Mrs. Dr. ... ) would be also nice
2009-06-02 16:04 <MarkusB> Hermes uses the same field for Last Name and Company
2009-06-02 16:05 <cedk> MarkusB: you can look at http://mercurial.intuxication.org/tryton/party_type/
2009-06-02 16:05 <cedk> MarkusB: so you can do the same with others
2009-06-02 16:06 <MarkusB> ok
2009-06-02 16:08 <MarkusB> Hermes has 8 Basic Fields: Company Name/Last Name, First Name, Street, Number, Additional Address, ZIP, City and one for Country
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2009-06-02 16:48 <cedk> MarkusB: but the main question is: is those fields are mandatory
2009-06-02 16:48 <cedk> MarkusB: if you can put complete name in Last Name and Street + number in Street
2009-06-02 16:48 <cedk> MarkusB: and leave others empty
2009-06-02 16:49 <MarkusB> yes, but i have limited numbers of characters per field
2009-06-02 16:50 <MarkusB> sometimes the street without the number is longer then the field. also names
2009-06-02 16:50 <MarkusB> in germany we have sometimes two last names
2009-06-02 16:50 <cedk> MarkusB: but you can perhaps split the street from Tryton over the both field
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2009-06-02 16:53 <MarkusB> i will try to use it like it is now. but do you know what i really miss?
2009-06-02 16:53 <MarkusB> Contacts
2009-06-02 16:55 <cedk> MarkusB: don't understand
2009-06-02 16:55 <MarkusB> for example: if i have a supplyer and this supplyer has a salesman, technical support and so on
2009-06-02 16:55 <MarkusB> each contact has a phone, fax, mail...
2009-06-02 16:55 <MarkusB> and a type!
2009-06-02 16:56 <cedk> MarkusB: it is a crm module
2009-06-02 17:02 <cedk> MarkusB: for us, we must make links between parties
2009-06-02 17:04 <MarkusB> yes, but each party can have different addresses and each address can have different contacts
2009-06-02 17:05 <cedk> MarkusB: an address is different from a contact
2009-06-02 17:11 <MarkusB> maybe my understanding of a contact differs from yours. With Contact I mean a person or a department (sales, finance, support...). I have supplyers with more than one plant in germany. depending on the part i want to order i have to send the order to the sales departement of the plant.
2009-06-02 17:12 <MarkusB> or i have customers with different delivery addresses (and persons), but with one invoice address
2009-06-02 17:14 <MarkusB> so it would be usefull if i could select the delivery address and a person or departement, who should receive the package
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2009-06-02 17:18 <cedk> MarkusB: delivery address already works
2009-06-02 17:18 <cedk> MarkusB: I don't see why you need to have a person
2009-06-02 17:19 <cedk> MarkusB: you can have as many addresses as you want for a party
2009-06-02 17:19 <cedk> MarkusB: and on purchase, sale you can select any of those addresses as delivery
2009-06-02 17:19 <MarkusB> because i had some customers they called me, because there was no name on the package and they dont know who should receive it
2009-06-02 17:20 <cedk> MarkusB: and there is the name field on address where you can specify some more information
2009-06-02 17:20 <cedk> MarkusB: but it is not a contact
2009-06-02 17:21 <MarkusB> i know
2009-06-02 17:21 <cedk> MarkusB: because it doesn't represent a person
2009-06-02 17:21 <cedk> MarkusB: but it can be used as an additional information for the address
2009-06-02 17:22 <MarkusB> yes, but it's not perfect
2009-06-02 17:27 <cedk> MarkusB: it depends on how deep you want to modelise the company's structure of your customers
2009-06-02 17:28 <MarkusB> indeed
2009-06-02 17:29 <cedk> MarkusB: by default we have basic function and can be extended with other modules
2009-06-02 17:32 <MarkusB> mhm, maybe i found a bug?
2009-06-02 17:32 <MarkusB> ah, ok
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2009-06-02 17:34 <MarkusB> i tried to change the payment type of a party. but when i click on the icon the edit dialog opens, not the select dialog.
2009-06-02 17:34 <MarkusB> a little bit confusing
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2009-06-02 18:21 <cedk> MarkusB: there is two buttons: one for search and one for edit
2009-06-02 18:21 <MarkusB> yes
2009-06-02 18:22 <MarkusB> i understand... at the second look. first time i was confused.
2009-06-02 18:24 <MarkusB> cedk, maybe you can answer that question: is it possible to add my customer number from the supplier?
2009-06-02 18:24 <cedk> MarkusB: I don't understand
2009-06-02 18:26 <MarkusB> i have a customer number from my supplier. if i want to order something and i want to send a fax it is easyer for the supplier
2009-06-02 18:26 <MarkusB> if my customer number is on the fay
2009-06-02 18:26 <MarkusB> fax
2009-06-02 18:28 <MarkusB> or if i call the supplier they always ask me for the number
2009-06-02 18:30 <cedk> MarkusB: ok, nothing like this for now
2009-06-02 18:30 <cedk> MarkusB: but it doesn't look difficult to add a list on Company to store this kind of information
2009-06-02 18:31 <MarkusB> it's not only the storage. its also the report generation
2009-06-02 18:32 <MarkusB> i will continue testing tryton. where is the best place to leave wishes? ;)
2009-06-02 18:33 <cedk> MarkusB: there is a common header on reports, so it can add the number when the supplier is in the context
2009-06-02 18:33 <cedk> MarkusB: roundup
2009-06-02 18:33 <MarkusB> roundup?
2009-06-02 18:33 <cedk> MarkusB: http://bugs.tryton.org/
2009-06-02 18:34 <MarkusB> ah, great
2009-06-02 18:37 <MarkusB> ok, shopping. bbl
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