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2009-06-02 00:00 <cedk> vengfulsquirrel: oups ok, I understand now your question | ||
2009-06-02 00:00 <cedk> vengfulsquirrel: it depends of the taxes, the country law etc. | ||
2009-06-02 00:07 <vengfulsquirrel> I'm just creating sales tax, its a percentage of the total and it depends on the location I guess. | ||
2009-06-02 00:08 <vengfulsquirrel> I just re-pulled everything after like 3-4 weeks and all my modules are still working which is amazing by the way, good work. | ||
2009-06-02 00:13 <cedk> vengfulsquirrel: I think you should create tax rule that add this tax on every products | ||
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2009-06-02 00:18 <cedk> vengfulsquirrel: but you must know excatly what is the rule for this taxes | ||
2009-06-02 00:22 <vengfulsquirrel> Are tax rules meant to be created from customized templates on a company by company basis ? | ||
2009-06-02 00:22 <vengfulsquirrel> cedk:* | ||
2009-06-02 00:23 <cedk> vengfulsquirrel: why not | ||
2009-06-02 00:24 <vengfulsquirrel> I just meant 'is that what they are for?', I created one but all you can put in is the tax and the name of the company. | ||
2009-06-02 00:26 <cedk> vengfulsquirrel: I don't understand | ||
2009-06-02 00:30 <vengfulsquirrel> What is a Tax Rule for ? What is the behaviour ? Is it so I don't have to add the tax to every product on every sale line ? | ||
2009-06-02 00:30 <cedk> vengfulsquirrel: it is to modify default taxes depending of the paty | ||
2009-06-02 00:31 <vengfulsquirrel> Okay so when I'm creating sale lines the tax will automatically be added to them, yeah that sounds good. | ||
2009-06-02 00:33 <cedk> vengfulsquirrel: only if it depends of the party | ||
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2009-06-02 09:15 <MarkusB> hi | ||
2009-06-02 09:16 <juanfer> hi MarkusB | ||
2009-06-02 09:16 <MarkusB> is this english or german channel? | ||
2009-06-02 09:17 <MarkusB> english, i guess ^^ | ||
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2009-06-02 09:17 <juanfer> I think that is english, but I'm not totally sure | ||
2009-06-02 09:18 <juanfer> try #tryton-de | ||
2009-06-02 09:18 <MarkusB> does'nt matter | ||
2009-06-02 09:19 <MarkusB> maybe someone can help me. I played around with Tryton this weekend and it looks pretty nice for the first look. But i miss some functions | ||
2009-06-02 09:20 <juanfer> Whell you coul send a mail listing all this functions, and some one could think that could be usefull. | ||
2009-06-02 09:20 <MarkusB> for examle articles with part lists | ||
2009-06-02 09:21 <MarkusB> first i want to know if these functions are there or not | ||
2009-06-02 09:22 <vengfulsquirrel> What are the functions ? What do you mean articles with part lists ? | ||
2009-06-02 09:22 <MarkusB> an article assembled with other articles | ||
2009-06-02 09:24 <MarkusB> for example: you have the articles Tire, Door, Window, Motor.. and you have the article Car with the part list Motor - 1x, Door - 4x, Tire - 4x and so on | ||
2009-06-02 09:24 <cedk> MarkusB: it is production that we have not yet | ||
2009-06-02 09:25 <MarkusB> ah, ok. | ||
2009-06-02 09:25 <MarkusB> thanks good, i'm not blind ;) | ||
2009-06-02 09:26 <MarkusB> the other thing i miss are graduated prices, or scale prices or however this is called | ||
2009-06-02 09:28 <cedk> MarkusB: how do you want it works? | ||
2009-06-02 09:30 <MarkusB> just a list | ||
2009-06-02 09:30 <MarkusB> 1 pcs - 10€ | ||
2009-06-02 09:30 <MarkusB> 10 pcs - 9€ | ||
2009-06-02 09:30 <MarkusB> 25 pcs - 8€ | ||
2009-06-02 09:30 <MarkusB> and so on | ||
2009-06-02 09:31 <cedk> MarkusB: ok, it can be done with a little module (everything is ready for this) | ||
2009-06-02 09:31 <cedk> MarkusB: it can be something similar to want we have for purchase price | ||
2009-06-02 09:31 <MarkusB> sounds great. | ||
2009-06-02 09:32 <MarkusB> maybe i can find some time to take a closer look how it works. than i try to write my own module. | ||
2009-06-02 09:33 <MarkusB> until now i'm using Lexware, but i want to switch completly to linux and lexware is the last software that binds me to windows | ||
2009-06-02 09:34 <MarkusB> and tryton is the first software, that can replace the lexware software. | ||
2009-06-02 09:34 <MarkusB> brb | ||
2009-06-02 09:34 <vengfulsquirrel> cedk: That tax rule you talked about earlier, does that work with party categories at all ? So that all customers of a certain category have a certain tax applied to them? | ||
2009-06-02 09:35 <cedk> vengfulsquirrel: no, it is only linked to party | ||
2009-06-02 09:38 <vengfulsquirrel> cedk: Okay thanks, hey also I have some questions about the documentation | ||
2009-06-02 09:39 <vengfulsquirrel> cedk: http://code.google.com/p/tryton/wiki/DocumentationModules there is mention of DocumentationClient do you mean more generically all the trytond and tryton documentation ? | ||
2009-06-02 09:42 <cedk> vengfulsquirrel: I don't know, I have not written this | ||
2009-06-02 09:45 <vengfulsquirrel> Okay I'm going to fix it to be how I think it was meant to be written. | ||
2009-06-02 09:49 <MarkusB> re | ||
2009-06-02 09:52 <MarkusB> cedk, is there a good API Documentation to write own Modules? | ||
2009-06-02 09:53 <cedk> MarkusB: you can look at http://doc.tryton.org/ | ||
2009-06-02 09:56 <MarkusB> mhm, ok. i will take a look. thx. i guess, i can ask here if i have questions | ||
2009-06-02 09:57 <cedk> MarkusB: we could try to improve the doc with your questions | ||
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2009-06-02 10:07 <cedk> MarkusB: an other way is to look at the code of some simple modules like party, country, currency | ||
2009-06-02 10:09 <vengfulsquirrel> cedk: Okay wait I think I'm confused, are there existing guidelines for writing these: http://doc.tryton.org/1.2/modules/index.html ? | ||
2009-06-02 10:13 <cedk> vengfulsquirrel: not yet | ||
2009-06-02 10:13 <vengfulsquirrel> Okay well I think that's what this file was meant to be. | ||
2009-06-02 10:13 <vengfulsquirrel> *wiki page | ||
2009-06-02 10:15 <cedk> vengfulsquirrel: yes, it is udono who wrote it | ||
2009-06-02 10:17 <vengfulsquirrel> Okay it was a good idea | ||
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2009-06-02 10:57 <CIA-48> vengfulsquirrel * r614 /wiki/DocumentationModules.wiki: Fixed up guidelines for documenting modules. | ||
2009-06-02 10:57 <CIA-48> vengfulsquirrel * r615 /wiki/DocumentationModules.wiki: Made note to not duplicate the module's __tryton__.py file. | ||
2009-06-02 10:57 <CIA-48> vengfulsquirrel * r616 /wiki/DocumentationModules.wiki: Removed need for version from the template since it will make it annoying to maintain. | ||
2009-06-02 11:39 <MarkusB> cedk, ok, i will take a look. i hope, the simple modules are simple enough for me ;) | ||
2009-06-02 11:40 <cedk> MarkusB: we try to make clear code | ||
2009-06-02 11:40 <MarkusB> :) | ||
2009-06-02 11:41 <MarkusB> cedk, the code is one thing, the general structure is something different | ||
2009-06-02 11:42 <MarkusB> or to understand WHAT you programmed is more difficult than understand HOW you programmed it | ||
2009-06-02 11:42 <cedk> MarkusB: for me the best way is to dive into the code | ||
2009-06-02 11:43 <cedk> MarkusB: but for the module you talked, you don't need to understand too much of the framework | ||
2009-06-02 11:46 <MarkusB> cedk, there is a special module i want. i have a place for packing my parcels and i want a programm that tells me what's the next order i have to pack and that tells me step by step what i have to put into the package | ||
2009-06-02 11:47 <MarkusB> with barcode scanner support | ||
2009-06-02 11:48 <cedk> MarkusB: a kind of wizard that run over shipments? | ||
2009-06-02 11:50 <MarkusB> something like this | ||
2009-06-02 11:54 <MarkusB> cedk, there are lots of things i need for my business that most software does not support. for example prepayment or COD. | ||
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2009-06-02 13:05 <cedk> MarkusB: what is COD? | ||
2009-06-02 13:06 <MarkusB> cedk, cash on delivery | ||
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2009-06-02 13:09 <cedk> MarkusB: so with reduction? | ||
2009-06-02 13:11 <MarkusB> reduction? | ||
2009-06-02 13:12 <cedk> MarkusB: the price is lower if pay in cash | ||
2009-06-02 13:12 <cedk> MarkusB: or simply the invoice is generated at delivery? | ||
2009-06-02 13:13 <MarkusB> no. same price. but the customer has to pay to the postman if he receives the package | ||
2009-06-02 13:13 <MarkusB> and the parcel service transfers the money to my bank account | ||
2009-06-02 13:14 <cedk> MarkusB: so what do you expect in Tryton? | ||
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2009-06-02 13:16 <MarkusB> i think COD ist not the problem. and maybe prepayment can be handled with proforma invoices | ||
2009-06-02 13:17 <MarkusB> let me play a while with tryton to find out what i need | ||
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2009-06-02 13:54 <CIA-48> Mathias Behrle <mathiasb@behrle.dyndns.org> default * 161:dfd7853cadab company/de_DE.csv: Update translation for de_DE | ||
2009-06-02 13:54 <CIA-48> http://hg.tryton.org/modules/company/rev/dfd7853cadab | ||
2009-06-02 13:54 <CIA-48> Mathias Behrle <mathiasb@behrle.dyndns.org> default * 283:6cbf5fdbd4f7 party/de_DE.csv: Update translation for de_DE | ||
2009-06-02 13:54 <CIA-48> http://hg.tryton.org/modules/party/rev/6cbf5fdbd4f7 | ||
2009-06-02 13:54 <CIA-48> Mathias Behrle <mathiasb@behrle.dyndns.org> default * 15:3c01235bd6cc party_vcarddav/de_DE.csv: Update translation for de_DE | ||
2009-06-02 13:54 <CIA-48> http://hg.tryton.org/modules/party_vcarddav/rev/3c01235bd6cc | ||
2009-06-02 13:54 <CIA-48> Mathias Behrle <mathiasb@behrle.dyndns.org> default * 59:47bb752b7003 project/de_DE.csv: Update translation for de_DE | ||
2009-06-02 13:54 <CIA-48> http://hg.tryton.org/modules/project/rev/47bb752b7003 | ||
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2009-06-02 14:10 <CIA-48> Mathias Behrle <mathiasb@behrle.dyndns.org> default * 1324:f2244fe4d64f tryton/share/locale/de_DE/LC_MESSAGES/ (tryton.mo tryton.po): Update translation for de_DE | ||
2009-06-02 14:10 <CIA-48> http://hg.tryton.org/tryton/rev/f2244fe4d64f | ||
2009-06-02 14:11 <MarkusB> cedk, i have a question to the trytond.conf: the tryton server try to connect the postgresql server with the name of the linux user. do i have to add the user to the trytond.conf? | ||
2009-06-02 14:11 <MarkusB> db_user? | ||
2009-06-02 14:13 <cedk> MarkusB: yes | ||
2009-06-02 14:13 <MarkusB> thx | ||
2009-06-02 14:14 <MarkusB> what's the default port? | ||
2009-06-02 14:18 <cedk> MarkusB: by default it uses socket I think | ||
2009-06-02 14:27 <CIA-48> matb roundup * #1072/client: typo: [new] patch attached | ||
2009-06-02 14:27 <CIA-48> http://bugs.tryton.org/roundup/issue1072 | ||
2009-06-02 14:45 <MarkusB> cedk, i have a problem to create a new database und currently i have no idea what's wrong | ||
2009-06-02 14:47 <MarkusB> the client tells me, that the tryton server password seems to be wrong | ||
2009-06-02 14:48 <cedk> MarkusB: Are you sure you put the right password? | ||
2009-06-02 14:48 <cedk> MarkusB: it is admin_passwd in trytond.conf | ||
2009-06-02 14:52 <MarkusB> ok, that was a stupid mistake | ||
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2009-06-02 15:47 <MarkusB> wouldnt it be better to use seperate fields for street and house number? | ||
2009-06-02 15:49 <cedk> MarkusB: why? do you need to have report on number? | ||
2009-06-02 15:50 <MarkusB> i need it for Hermes, if i want to print shipping lables | ||
2009-06-02 15:50 <MarkusB> they have seperate fields for street and number | ||
2009-06-02 15:51 <MarkusB> i can use the same field for street and number, but the length is limited | ||
2009-06-02 15:52 <cedk> MarkusB: I find it is complicate the software for no advantage as there is different way to display addresses by country | ||
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2009-06-02 15:56 <MarkusB> yes, but in my case it would be an advantage, because i want to export the delivery address to an CSV File which i can import at the Hermes Page. Than i can print the shipping lables. If Street and House Number are in the same Field i have to change it manualy after the import | ||
2009-06-02 15:58 <MarkusB> it would be also nice if the first and last name are in seperate fields | ||
2009-06-02 15:59 <MarkusB> because many of my customers are private customers, not business customers | ||
2009-06-02 15:59 <cedk> MarkusB: and what about three part names like some asian people | ||
2009-06-02 16:00 <cedk> MarkusB: do you need to search by firstname? | ||
2009-06-02 16:02 <MarkusB> no. but in some cases it would be nice to have only the last name, like in a Letter. For example "Dear Mr. &lastname," | ||
2009-06-02 16:02 <MarkusB> and Hermes also has seperate Fields for first and last name. | ||
2009-06-02 16:02 <cedk> MarkusB: what is Hermes? | ||
2009-06-02 16:03 <MarkusB> Parcel Service like UPS | ||
2009-06-02 16:03 <cedk> MarkusB: and how do you do with company? | ||
2009-06-02 16:04 <MarkusB> A Title (like Mr. Mrs. Dr. ... ) would be also nice | ||
2009-06-02 16:04 <MarkusB> Hermes uses the same field for Last Name and Company | ||
2009-06-02 16:05 <cedk> MarkusB: you can look at http://mercurial.intuxication.org/tryton/party_type/ | ||
2009-06-02 16:05 <cedk> MarkusB: so you can do the same with others | ||
2009-06-02 16:06 <MarkusB> ok | ||
2009-06-02 16:08 <MarkusB> Hermes has 8 Basic Fields: Company Name/Last Name, First Name, Street, Number, Additional Address, ZIP, City and one for Country | ||
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2009-06-02 16:48 <cedk> MarkusB: but the main question is: is those fields are mandatory | ||
2009-06-02 16:48 <cedk> MarkusB: if you can put complete name in Last Name and Street + number in Street | ||
2009-06-02 16:48 <cedk> MarkusB: and leave others empty | ||
2009-06-02 16:49 <MarkusB> yes, but i have limited numbers of characters per field | ||
2009-06-02 16:50 <MarkusB> sometimes the street without the number is longer then the field. also names | ||
2009-06-02 16:50 <MarkusB> in germany we have sometimes two last names | ||
2009-06-02 16:50 <cedk> MarkusB: but you can perhaps split the street from Tryton over the both field | ||
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2009-06-02 16:53 <MarkusB> i will try to use it like it is now. but do you know what i really miss? | ||
2009-06-02 16:53 <MarkusB> Contacts | ||
2009-06-02 16:55 <cedk> MarkusB: don't understand | ||
2009-06-02 16:55 <MarkusB> for example: if i have a supplyer and this supplyer has a salesman, technical support and so on | ||
2009-06-02 16:55 <MarkusB> each contact has a phone, fax, mail... | ||
2009-06-02 16:55 <MarkusB> and a type! | ||
2009-06-02 16:56 <cedk> MarkusB: it is a crm module | ||
2009-06-02 17:02 <cedk> MarkusB: for us, we must make links between parties | ||
2009-06-02 17:04 <MarkusB> yes, but each party can have different addresses and each address can have different contacts | ||
2009-06-02 17:05 <cedk> MarkusB: an address is different from a contact | ||
2009-06-02 17:11 <MarkusB> maybe my understanding of a contact differs from yours. With Contact I mean a person or a department (sales, finance, support...). I have supplyers with more than one plant in germany. depending on the part i want to order i have to send the order to the sales departement of the plant. | ||
2009-06-02 17:12 <MarkusB> or i have customers with different delivery addresses (and persons), but with one invoice address | ||
2009-06-02 17:14 <MarkusB> so it would be usefull if i could select the delivery address and a person or departement, who should receive the package | ||
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2009-06-02 17:18 <cedk> MarkusB: delivery address already works | ||
2009-06-02 17:18 <cedk> MarkusB: I don't see why you need to have a person | ||
2009-06-02 17:19 <cedk> MarkusB: you can have as many addresses as you want for a party | ||
2009-06-02 17:19 <cedk> MarkusB: and on purchase, sale you can select any of those addresses as delivery | ||
2009-06-02 17:19 <MarkusB> because i had some customers they called me, because there was no name on the package and they dont know who should receive it | ||
2009-06-02 17:20 <cedk> MarkusB: and there is the name field on address where you can specify some more information | ||
2009-06-02 17:20 <cedk> MarkusB: but it is not a contact | ||
2009-06-02 17:21 <MarkusB> i know | ||
2009-06-02 17:21 <cedk> MarkusB: because it doesn't represent a person | ||
2009-06-02 17:21 <cedk> MarkusB: but it can be used as an additional information for the address | ||
2009-06-02 17:22 <MarkusB> yes, but it's not perfect | ||
2009-06-02 17:27 <cedk> MarkusB: it depends on how deep you want to modelise the company's structure of your customers | ||
2009-06-02 17:28 <MarkusB> indeed | ||
2009-06-02 17:29 <cedk> MarkusB: by default we have basic function and can be extended with other modules | ||
2009-06-02 17:32 <MarkusB> mhm, maybe i found a bug? | ||
2009-06-02 17:32 <MarkusB> ah, ok | ||
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2009-06-02 17:34 <MarkusB> i tried to change the payment type of a party. but when i click on the icon the edit dialog opens, not the select dialog. | ||
2009-06-02 17:34 <MarkusB> a little bit confusing | ||
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2009-06-02 18:21 <cedk> MarkusB: there is two buttons: one for search and one for edit | ||
2009-06-02 18:21 <MarkusB> yes | ||
2009-06-02 18:22 <MarkusB> i understand... at the second look. first time i was confused. | ||
2009-06-02 18:24 <MarkusB> cedk, maybe you can answer that question: is it possible to add my customer number from the supplier? | ||
2009-06-02 18:24 <cedk> MarkusB: I don't understand | ||
2009-06-02 18:26 <MarkusB> i have a customer number from my supplier. if i want to order something and i want to send a fax it is easyer for the supplier | ||
2009-06-02 18:26 <MarkusB> if my customer number is on the fay | ||
2009-06-02 18:26 <MarkusB> fax | ||
2009-06-02 18:28 <MarkusB> or if i call the supplier they always ask me for the number | ||
2009-06-02 18:30 <cedk> MarkusB: ok, nothing like this for now | ||
2009-06-02 18:30 <cedk> MarkusB: but it doesn't look difficult to add a list on Company to store this kind of information | ||
2009-06-02 18:31 <MarkusB> it's not only the storage. its also the report generation | ||
2009-06-02 18:32 <MarkusB> i will continue testing tryton. where is the best place to leave wishes? ;) | ||
2009-06-02 18:33 <cedk> MarkusB: there is a common header on reports, so it can add the number when the supplier is in the context | ||
2009-06-02 18:33 <cedk> MarkusB: roundup | ||
2009-06-02 18:33 <MarkusB> roundup? | ||
2009-06-02 18:33 <cedk> MarkusB: http://bugs.tryton.org/ | ||
2009-06-02 18:34 <MarkusB> ah, great | ||
2009-06-02 18:37 <MarkusB> ok, shopping. bbl | ||
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