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| 2009-04-23 03:26 <deux_> hey jaunfer: | ||
| 2009-04-23 03:27 <deux_> I hear that tryton is a fork of openerp. | ||
| 2009-04-23 03:27 <deux_> I am new to openerp | ||
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| 2009-04-23 09:59 <CIA-48> cedric.krier@b2ck.com * r581 /wiki/CodeSnippets.wiki: Add xml-rpc and net-rpc in Python for version 1.2 | ||
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| 2009-04-23 16:07 <cedk> Timitos: hi | ||
| 2009-04-23 16:08 <cedk> Timitos: I have got a little issue with taxes and rules | ||
| 2009-04-23 16:09 <cedk> Timitos: it is about the taxes to use for supplier invoice | ||
| 2009-04-23 16:10 <cedk> Timitos: I'm thinking that we could use the suppliers tabs to define taxes to use with this one | ||
| 2009-04-23 16:10 <cedk> Timitos: instead of the default supplier taxes on the product | ||
| 2009-04-23 16:10 <cedk> I think it will simplify the complexity of creating rules for purchase | ||
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| 2009-04-23 18:53 <Timitos> cedk: hi | ||
| 2009-04-23 18:53 <Timitos> cedk: are you sure that this is needed? | ||
| 2009-04-23 18:58 <cedk> Timitos: yes, I think | ||
| 2009-04-23 18:59 <cedk> Timitos: especially since I know that for intra-EU, the supplier can choose in some cases if he uses the taxes from his country or from the country of the delivery | ||
| 2009-04-23 19:00 <cedk> Timitos: for me, it is really the same behavior than with the purchase price | ||
| 2009-04-23 19:01 <cedk> Timitos: and here, in Belgium, the vat that you will put on a invoice line will depend of the use it | ||
| 2009-04-23 19:01 <cedk> so the rate is the same but for the report it is different | ||
| 2009-04-23 19:02 <cedk> So I think that creating supplier rule that will match all the cases will be very complicate, but storing the tax by supplier and product will reduce a lot | ||
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| 2009-04-23 19:10 <Timitos> cedk: sounds interesting. but do not forget. if the supplier is the user of tryton he also needs to be able to do this on customer side. so i think you would also need this topic on customer side but not only for supplier | ||
| 2009-04-23 19:11 <Timitos> i do not understand for what case the rate (of what?) should be different for line and report | ||
| 2009-04-23 19:12 <cedk> Timitos: no, the rate is the same but the tax code is different | ||
| 2009-04-23 19:12 <Timitos> why? can you explain me the case? | ||
| 2009-04-23 19:13 <cedk> Timitos: and I think that for the sale, it is different because the company decides which taxes to use | ||
| 2009-04-23 19:13 <cedk> Timitos: because we must put on different code taxes depending of the use and not only of the product | ||
| 2009-04-23 19:14 <Timitos> cedk: i still do not understand the case | ||
| 2009-04-23 19:16 <cedk> Timitos: It is a general think, for purchase, you don't decide how the vat will be applied, it is the supplier that decides | ||
| 2009-04-23 19:18 <Timitos> but could you please explain me the case? how and for what reason can the supplier decide? please give me an example. can the supplier decide every time new or can he decide for one year or another timeline? | ||
| 2009-04-23 19:19 <cedk> Timitos: he can be registered in the country or not | ||
| 2009-04-23 19:19 <cedk> Timitos: and it depends also of the amount, he exports to this country | ||
| 2009-04-23 19:19 <cedk> it is all kind of thing that you can not know | ||
| 2009-04-23 19:20 <Timitos> cedk: you mean the delivery threshold? | ||
| 2009-04-23 19:20 <cedk> Timitos: no, the tax | ||
| 2009-04-23 19:20 <cedk> the vat | ||
| 2009-04-23 19:21 <Timitos> cedk: no. i must know this. this case you explain is a case you can handle with existing tax rules. you only need to create a special rule set for this supplier. | ||
| 2009-04-23 19:21 <cedk> so what I think is that it looks like the purchase price, you can not know before you receive it | ||
| 2009-04-23 19:21 <Timitos> and this supplier must inform you about this | ||
| 2009-04-23 19:22 <Timitos> cedk: but this would be only for one case. for the first purchase from this supplier. after the you will know | ||
| 2009-04-23 19:23 <cedk> Timitos: yes, you know for this product | ||
| 2009-04-23 19:23 <Timitos> cedk: no. you know for this supplier | ||
| 2009-04-23 19:23 <cedk> Timitos: so you can store the information on the product for this supplier | ||
| 2009-04-23 19:24 <Timitos> the case you explain is always valid for all products of this supplier | ||
| 2009-04-23 19:24 <Timitos> he cannot opt only for one product | ||
| 2009-04-23 19:25 <cedk> perhaps | ||
| 2009-04-23 19:26 <Timitos> i think you should not try to create only one rule set for purchase and one for sale but you should create more rulesets depending on the attributes which are valid for the customer/supplier you append this rule set to | ||
| 2009-04-23 19:26 <cedk> yes | ||
| 2009-04-23 19:26 <cedk> so for now, I have 3 taxes group for purchase | ||
| 2009-04-23 19:27 <cedk> but I will need about 3*3+3 | ||
| 2009-04-23 19:27 <cedk> 3 kind of use | ||
| 2009-04-23 19:27 <Timitos> cedk: this is why i have some more fields on my solution in account_tax_system_de | ||
| 2009-04-23 19:27 <cedk> 3 rates | ||
| 2009-04-23 19:28 <cedk> and for one kind there is two subdivisions | ||
| 2009-04-23 19:28 <Timitos> cedk: i already told you that the tax depends on some more things but only on the product. this is why i proposed to extend the solution with custom fields. | ||
| 2009-04-23 19:29 <Timitos> but i do not think that it would be good to put some information on another place but on the rules | ||
| 2009-04-23 19:29 <cedk> Timitos: but here it is not the problem | ||
| 2009-04-23 19:29 <cedk> Timitos: it is because there is too much possibilities | ||
| 2009-04-23 19:30 <Timitos> cedk: this is tax law. there are many possibilities. but i do not think that the supplier information is the right place for this | ||
| 2009-04-23 19:31 <Timitos> i think it would be better to put a field on party and to add a field on the rules to handle those cases. you can define the tax rules more precise then | ||
| 2009-04-23 19:32 <Timitos> and you have one place where the rules are stored | ||
| 2009-04-23 19:32 <cedk> ok | ||
| 2009-04-23 19:33 <cedk> I will think about a better solution | ||
| 2009-04-23 19:33 <Timitos> good | ||
| 2009-04-23 19:38 <cedk> Timitos: I saw on a account software for Belgium, that they put a second field on invoice line for the use | ||
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| 2009-04-23 19:38 <Timitos> cedk: what was the content of the field? | ||
| 2009-04-23 19:39 <cedk> Timitos: it is the name of the tax code | ||
| 2009-04-23 19:40 <cedk> in fact the main issue, it is that the tax code separation is different for sale and purchase | ||
| 2009-04-23 19:40 <cedk> for sale it is based on rate and for purchase on usage | ||
| 2009-04-23 19:40 <cedk> but I will think a little more about it | ||
| 2009-04-23 19:41 <Timitos> i think that we should try to keep the invoice line as clean as possible to keep usability | ||
| 2009-04-23 19:42 <cedk> Timitos: yes, the software I looked was for accountance | ||
| 2009-04-23 19:45 <Timitos> cedk: why do you not want to extend the tax rules with a field for this? | ||
| 2009-04-23 19:45 <Timitos> i only want to understand your intention | ||
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| 2009-04-23 20:18 <cedk> Timitos: I'm thinking about | ||
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| 2009-04-23 21:59 <cristi_an> guys how was 1.2 ....? | ||
| 2009-04-23 22:00 <cristi_an> is stable enough ? | ||
| 2009-04-23 22:00 <cristi_an> this month i am dead busy .... | ||
| 2009-04-23 22:00 <cristi_an> so i can;t advance with my tryton realted issues | ||
| 2009-04-23 22:02 <juanfer> cristi_an: 1.2 its good enouf, if you found any bug please let us know. | ||
| 2009-04-23 22:03 <cristi_an> juanfer: you activly code on tryton ? | ||
| 2009-04-23 22:04 <juanfer> cristi_an: no so active as I like, but what is your problem? | ||
| 2009-04-23 22:05 <cristi_an> why would be a problem,no problem at all....i know the guys for some time...and i did not noticed , new one ....that start coding | ||
| 2009-04-23 22:05 <cristi_an> so soon | ||
| 2009-04-23 22:05 <cristi_an> i plan to do that for like 5 month | ||
| 2009-04-23 22:06 <cristi_an> but...did not had enough time...to do it | ||
| 2009-04-23 22:06 <cristi_an> just asked...if you code...since you said let "us" know | ||
| 2009-04-23 22:13 <cristi_an> Timitos: language of the exe cleint is in German | ||
| 2009-04-23 22:13 <cristi_an> how can i swithc that to english | ||
| 2009-04-23 22:13 <cristi_an> since i want to file a UI bug | ||
| 2009-04-23 22:14 <cristi_an> but ...german text is not something i understand very good | ||
| 2009-04-23 22:14 <juanfer> cristi_an: I just helped to test tryton 1.2, and in spanish translation and I'm in the work of making an account module, cedk is the head. | ||
| 2009-04-23 22:14 <Timitos> cristi_an: in the Menu "Benutzer->Einstellungen->Einstellungen" you can switch from "Deutsch" to english | ||
| 2009-04-23 22:15 <juanfer> actually, you could have a db in deutsh and another in english as you like. | ||
| 2009-04-23 22:15 <cristi_an> juanfer: what can i say ia ma glad that slowly but sure comunity around tryton | ||
| 2009-04-23 22:16 <cristi_an> so nice to meet you..and don;t be that ...fighty ? ("what is your pronlem ?" like ) | ||
| 2009-04-23 22:16 <cristi_an> grows | ||
| 2009-04-23 22:17 <juanfer> sorry, my language is spanish, and some time I translate my spretions to english, I hope you don't feel angry by that. You are wellcome. | ||
| 2009-04-23 22:17 <cristi_an> thank you | ||
| 2009-04-23 22:18 <juanfer> K | ||
| 2009-04-23 22:19 <cristi_an> i though you start coding so fast ..since i joinf thi commuity arounf november...and i still learn things... | ||
| 2009-04-23 22:19 <cristi_an> that is why i asked you...since i know regular commiters were .cedk ,bechamel ,udono ,Timitos ,carlos + the guys from relatorio... | ||
| 2009-04-23 22:20 <cristi_an> i ji mised like last 2 month since ...i had some contracts to finish.. | ||
| 2009-04-23 22:21 <cristi_an> no time even for irc | ||
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