| chat.freenode.net #tryton log beginning Tue Mar 31 00:00:02 CEST 2009 | ||
| 2009-03-31 00:03 <vengfulsquirrel> It seems eventually we are going to end up with input and out lines no matter what but the fields on them just might be a little different. | ||
| 2009-03-31 00:03 <vengfulsquirrel> *output | ||
| 2009-03-31 00:11 <cedk> vengfulsquirrel: I don't understand | ||
| 2009-03-31 00:12 <vengfulsquirrel> I don't think we should eliminate the input line and output line models. | ||
| 2009-03-31 00:12 <vengfulsquirrel> And by we I guess me ha but you know what i mean. | ||
| 2009-03-31 00:13 <vengfulsquirrel> You don't understand which part? | ||
| 2009-03-31 00:14 <cedk> vengfulsquirrel: all :-) | ||
| 2009-03-31 00:14 <cedk> vengfulsquirrel: you first start, saying to propose removing input-output and now you revert | ||
| 2009-03-31 00:15 <cedk> vengfulsquirrel: I don't understand the "wrapper models" | ||
| 2009-03-31 00:15 <vengfulsquirrel> Ha know because that's what you wanted last time and I didn't want to remove them. | ||
| 2009-03-31 00:15 <vengfulsquirrel> *no because | ||
| 2009-03-31 00:15 <vengfulsquirrel> http://www.tryton.org/~irclog/2009-03-18.log.html#t2009-03-18_00:29 | ||
| 2009-03-31 00:16 <cedk> vengfulsquirrel: yes, and now what do you think? | ||
| 2009-03-31 00:16 <vengfulsquirrel> I think we should keep them. | ||
| 2009-03-31 00:16 <vengfulsquirrel> and by should, I think we need them | ||
| 2009-03-31 00:17 <vengfulsquirrel> because they "wrap" up the selected boms as well as additional information and allow an obviuos place for other developers to extend the production module | ||
| 2009-03-31 00:19 <cedk> vengfulsquirrel: I think if you want to keep tracks of selected boms, you must keep just the selected boms | ||
| 2009-03-31 00:20 <cedk> vengfulsquirrel: as I said previously, the only way to work properly is by using the moves | ||
| 2009-03-31 00:20 <cedk> vengfulsquirrel: otherwise other stuff like "supply" cron will not work | ||
| 2009-03-31 00:20 <vengfulsquirrel> but a nested selected bom, say inside a phantom, needs to know what selected bom it belongs too | ||
| 2009-03-31 00:21 <vengfulsquirrel> so we'ed have to created a wrapper model to maintain that information | ||
| 2009-03-31 00:21 <vengfulsquirrel> then we'd have SelectedBOMLine | ||
| 2009-03-31 00:22 <cedk> vengfulsquirrel: why do you want "SelectedBOMLine", it is simply "SelectedBOM" | ||
| 2009-03-31 00:22 <vengfulsquirrel> oh yeah either way | ||
| 2009-03-31 00:24 <vengfulsquirrel> that won't be able to track substitutes | ||
| 2009-03-31 00:25 <cedk> vengfulsquirrel: substitutes = selection of BOM | ||
| 2009-03-31 00:25 <vengfulsquirrel> no | ||
| 2009-03-31 00:25 <vengfulsquirrel> ha | ||
| 2009-03-31 00:26 <vengfulsquirrel> those are two different ideas | ||
| 2009-03-31 00:26 <cedk> vengfulsquirrel: why? | ||
| 2009-03-31 00:28 <vengfulsquirrel> Boms are substituted with intent to produce a distinct product, product substitution is changing out one distinct product with another distinct product | ||
| 2009-03-31 00:28 <cedk> vengfulsquirrel: when you replace a product by an other, it is like you change the BOM | ||
| 2009-03-31 00:29 <cedk> vengfulsquirrel: No, you don't change the selection of BOM in a production to change the result | ||
| 2009-03-31 00:29 <cedk> vengfulsquirrel: even, you can not change the target | ||
| 2009-03-31 00:33 <vengfulsquirrel> Okay so say I want to say product A can be substituted with product B when creating product C. To model this with boms you'd create 2 boms for product C one using product B and one using product A. | ||
| 2009-03-31 00:34 <vengfulsquirrel> But say the bom for product C has 20 lines, now you have to create that bom twice and you have to maintain the two seperate boms from then on. | ||
| 2009-03-31 00:34 <cedk> vengfulsquirrel: no, I will not do like that | ||
| 2009-03-31 00:34 <vengfulsquirrel> If you use product substitution you create one bom, and mark two lines as being interchangeable. This simplifies the maintenance. | ||
| 2009-03-31 00:35 <cedk> vengfulsquirrel: I will create a an "intermediary" BOM to make the switch | ||
| 2009-03-31 00:35 <vengfulsquirrel> An alternative model would be to create a phantom product AB that has two boms one for product A and one for product B... but now you have 3 boms and another product! | ||
| 2009-03-31 00:35 <cedk> vengfulsquirrel: yes, it is what I want | ||
| 2009-03-31 00:36 <vengfulsquirrel> And when looking at the bom for product C its not clear what product AB does which also makes maintenance more difficult. | ||
| 2009-03-31 00:36 <cedk> vengfulsquirrel: I don't agree | ||
| 2009-03-31 00:37 <cedk> vengfulsquirrel: mixing on one model different stuff, this make maintenance difficult | ||
| 2009-03-31 00:37 <vengfulsquirrel> maintenance of the boms, not of the code is what I meant I'm not sure if that was clear | ||
| 2009-03-31 00:37 <cedk> vengfulsquirrel: what will be the "mark two lines as being interchangeable"? | ||
| 2009-03-31 00:38 <cedk> vengfulsquirrel: I still don't agree, it is a matter of presentation | ||
| 2009-03-31 00:38 <vengfulsquirrel> Well I have no idea what is possible with the tryton UI but as a last resort I was going to just let them just be numbered. | ||
| 2009-03-31 00:39 <cedk> vengfulsquirrel: numbered by what? | ||
| 2009-03-31 00:39 <vengfulsquirrel> You can do that with the planned system but you can also use direct product substitution. | ||
| 2009-03-31 00:39 <vengfulsquirrel> Literally you just assign them numbers subsitutation group 1, substitution sequence 1 and subsitutation group 1, substitution sequence 2 would be interchangeable. | ||
| 2009-03-31 00:42 <cedk> vengfulsquirrel: and you find this more usefriendly? | ||
| 2009-03-31 00:42 <cedk> vengfulsquirrel: and your group is in fact a "phatom product" | ||
| 2009-03-31 00:43 <vengfulsquirrel> Yeah because its all one one screen. | ||
| 2009-03-31 00:43 <cedk> vengfulsquirrel: but you can not express the substitution of one product by two thers | ||
| 2009-03-31 00:44 <cedk> s/two thers/two others/ | ||
| 2009-03-31 00:44 <cedk> vengfulsquirrel: perhaps, but I don't see how you will display that in one list | ||
| 2009-03-31 00:45 <vengfulsquirrel> http://code.google.com/p/tryton/wiki/TrytonMRPIntegration | ||
| 2009-03-31 00:45 <vengfulsquirrel> its at the bottom | ||
| 2009-03-31 00:45 <vengfulsquirrel> but yeah you are right i hadn't though about doing a 1 to many substitution | ||
| 2009-03-31 00:45 <vengfulsquirrel> i'm not sure when they would happen though when it would make sense | ||
| 2009-03-31 00:45 <vengfulsquirrel> *that | ||
| 2009-03-31 00:46 <cedk> vengfulsquirrel: but what I propose with the "phatom product" allow more possibilities | ||
| 2009-03-31 00:47 <vengfulsquirrel> i'm not saying that you can't do that i'm just saying the product substitutes i think in most cases would make more sense for substitution | ||
| 2009-03-31 00:48 <cedk> vengfulsquirrel: and how to display it in the production order? | ||
| 2009-03-31 00:49 <vengfulsquirrel> you can change the product in the input line if there are substitutes otherwise its read only and you can only change the selected bom | ||
| 2009-03-31 00:50 <cedk> vengfulsquirrel: so you will have two places on the production order where the user can make parametrisation | ||
| 2009-03-31 00:51 <cedk> vengfulsquirrel: with my, you have all in one place | ||
| 2009-03-31 00:51 <cedk> vengfulsquirrel: and still with this display, you can only have one to one substitution | ||
| 2009-03-31 00:52 <cedk> vengfulsquirrel: and what if the substitution products are also to produce and with a phatom bom? | ||
| 2009-03-31 00:55 <cedk> it is late here | ||
| 2009-03-31 00:55 <cedk> I go to sleep | ||
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| 2009-03-31 09:34 <CIA-81> tryton: Timitos roundup * #914/i propose to remove easy_install recommendation from download site: [new] We have many issues with easy_install here. And when somebody has problems with installing tryton it is mostly sure that he tried to use eas ... | ||
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| 2009-03-31 11:02 <CIA-81> tryton: matb roundup * #914/i propose to remove easy_install recommendation from download site: [chatting] +1 | ||
| 2009-03-31 11:15 <CIA-81> tryton: udono roundup * #914/i propose to remove easy_install recommendation from download site: Problem with easy install is that someone needed a complete build environment specific for the distribution. There are packages like lxml iirc whi ... | ||
| 2009-03-31 11:45 <CIA-81> tryton: Mathias Behrle <mathiasb@behrle.dyndns.org> default * 1698:a62f2667eee1 trytond/trytond/ir/de_DE.csv: Update translation for de_DE | ||
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| 2009-03-31 11:47 <CIA-81> tryton: Mathias Behrle <mathiasb@behrle.dyndns.org> default * 155:885a33faa044 sale/de_DE.csv: Update translation for de_DE | ||
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| 2009-03-31 13:48 <CIA-81> tryton: C?dric Krier <ced@b2ck.com> default * 1700:a8da4335e6a5 trytond/: merge | ||
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| 2009-03-31 14:23 <CIA-81> tryton: Call workflow of purchase when deleting moves | ||
| 2009-03-31 14:23 <CIA-81> tryton: Improve workflow test on write of move | ||
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| 2009-03-31 14:27 <CIA-81> tryton: Improve workflow test on write of move | ||
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| 2009-03-31 22:55 <vengfulsquirrel> What does this most likely mean u"You try to write on records that don't exist anymore! (Document type: Account)" ? | ||
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| 2009-03-31 23:53 <cedk_> vengfulsquirrel: this is because you try to write on a record that have been deleted |
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