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| 2009-01-21 00:56 <CIA-51> tryton: matb roundup * #755/Inventories: moving with keyboard: Attached screenshot shows the search box. It is impossible to navigate by any mean with the keyboard, neither to records nor to buttons. | ||
| 2009-01-21 01:02 <CIA-51> tryton: matb roundup * #756/Stock: calculation of assignable products: Yes, sure, screenshots attached. | ||
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| 2009-01-21 01:44 <CIA-51> tryton: ced roundup * #756/Stock: calculation of assignable products: This doesn't say that the products are not assigned somewhere else. | ||
| 2009-01-21 01:49 <CIA-51> tryton: ced roundup * #755/Inventories: moving with keyboard: [resolved] Fix with changeset ede0dd561f0f | ||
| 2009-01-21 01:50 <CIA-51> tryton: C?dric Krier <ced@b2ck.com> default * 434:ede0dd561f0f stock/product.xml: Add priority to tree view of stock.location for product stock for issue755 | ||
| 2009-01-21 01:50 <CIA-51> tryton: C?dric Krier <ced@b2ck.com> default * 435:19568e8d5cb8 stock/: merge | ||
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| 2009-01-21 08:20 <saxa> morning ppl | ||
| 2009-01-21 08:21 <saxa> I would like to understand if this is possible in tryton, | ||
| 2009-01-21 08:21 <saxa> I have a company and my workflow is as follows | ||
| 2009-01-21 08:22 <saxa> 1) receive an inquiry from my customer with part numbers and quantities for spare parts | ||
| 2009-01-21 08:22 <saxa> 2) I send it to my supplier/suppliers | ||
| 2009-01-21 08:23 <saxa> 3) receive the quote from suppliers with replacement part numbers and prices, | ||
| 2009-01-21 08:23 <saxa> 4) calculate my comission, add my costs | ||
| 2009-01-21 08:23 <saxa> 5) if customer accepts the price | ||
| 2009-01-21 08:24 <saxa> I send the order to my supplier | ||
| 2009-01-21 08:24 <saxa> and from there when goods are ready I prepare the packing list, transport document and invoice | ||
| 2009-01-21 08:25 <saxa> is that workflow possible ? | ||
| 2009-01-21 08:25 <saxa> this is a trading company, so I think the most difficult part is to do in steps 2) and 3) which I want to automate | ||
| 2009-01-21 08:26 <saxa> sometimes in step 3) I also need to choose the cheapest price for single items, because there can be many producers/suppliers for the same product | ||
| 2009-01-21 08:26 <saxa> I would really like to see this kind of workflow possible in tryton | ||
| 2009-01-21 08:27 <saxa> that would for sure make me adopt it for my full time use in my company | ||
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| 2009-01-21 08:46 <Timitos> saxa: i would recommend to ask this question also an the mailing list. | ||
| 2009-01-21 08:47 <Timitos> saxa: possible is this for sure. but there are many customizations needed i think. especially if the solution should be easy to handle | ||
| 2009-01-21 08:49 <Timitos> saxa: the challenge i see is to handle this workflow with only a view views. | ||
| 2009-01-21 08:50 <Timitos> saxa: which way do you get the quote from the supplier? is this a paper or a digital document which can be parsed? | ||
| 2009-01-21 08:56 <saxa> Timitos: I will ask that on the ML also | ||
| 2009-01-21 08:56 <saxa> I get the original inquiry by fax, or by e-mail | ||
| 2009-01-21 08:57 <saxa> but this is not much important because I need to imput it by hand | ||
| 2009-01-21 08:57 <saxa> as I need to check the correctness of the part numbers and sometimes check the parts they are asking itself | ||
| 2009-01-21 08:58 <saxa> the thing is that when I have checked it and I input it, then I want to automate it | ||
| 2009-01-21 08:59 <Timitos> saxa: so in detail the process looks for me something like this: | ||
| 2009-01-21 08:59 <Timitos> you get the inquiry from your customer and enter it into tryton | ||
| 2009-01-21 09:00 <Timitos> then you answers the supplier for a quote. this should be also done with tryton | ||
| 2009-01-21 09:00 <Timitos> this could be a step in your workflow | ||
| 2009-01-21 09:00 <Timitos> the you receive the quote from the supplier | ||
| 2009-01-21 09:01 <Timitos> so you can enter the prices for the quotation to the customer | ||
| 2009-01-21 09:01 <Timitos> after that i think everything is standard to tryton | ||
| 2009-01-21 09:02 <Timitos> the only thing is to decide where to put the inquiry from the customer first. sale module? | ||
| 2009-01-21 09:05 <saxa> Timitos: correct | ||
| 2009-01-21 09:06 <saxa> I think that when I receive the inquiry from a customer I can prepare a kind of quote for my customer with price 0,00 for all items | ||
| 2009-01-21 09:06 <saxa> this quote basicaly would have my custoers namne and details | ||
| 2009-01-21 09:06 <saxa> all part numbers | ||
| 2009-01-21 09:06 <saxa> all quantities | ||
| 2009-01-21 09:06 <saxa> but no price | ||
| 2009-01-21 09:07 <saxa> then I would need to create an inquiry to my supplier/suppliers | ||
| 2009-01-21 09:07 <saxa> after that I can manually add the prices into that quote | ||
| 2009-01-21 09:07 <saxa> which I initially created | ||
| 2009-01-21 09:08 <saxa> I see it that way, but I dont know if its correct | ||
| 2009-01-21 09:09 <saxa> ok, I need to go now, l8r I'm back here | ||
| 2009-01-21 09:09 <saxa> see you | ||
| 2009-01-21 09:17 <Timitos> saxa: ping me when you are back | ||
| 2009-01-21 09:17 <Timitos> cu | ||
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| 2009-01-21 15:54 <yangoon> saxa: Timitos. what you discussed this morning seems to me, what is solved in other ERPs by "make purchase order (quotation) from sales quotation" | ||
| 2009-01-21 15:55 <yangoon> that is, principally, copy the sale to a purchase | ||
| 2009-01-21 15:55 <yangoon> all things you have to check with suppliers is then possible in purchase | ||
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| 2009-01-21 15:59 <yangoon> if you order/receive the parts from the suppliers, you can adapt the sales quotation/order in respect of your calculation and according for the client (for what you mention by your commission and costs...) | ||
| 2009-01-21 16:00 <yangoon> so those things can all be done on client side | ||
| 2009-01-21 16:00 <yangoon> and perhaps/probably on pricelists | ||
| 2009-01-21 16:00 <cedk> yangoon: I think that it is better if you see the first sale step as a project | ||
| 2009-01-21 16:01 <cedk> and then after purchase order (or packing receive), you create (automaticly?) the real sale | ||
| 2009-01-21 16:02 <cedk> I say project but it can be an other model | ||
| 2009-01-21 16:02 <yangoon> cedk: in Germany this is often called "lead" (very german word;) | ||
| 2009-01-21 16:03 <yangoon> cedk: but I don't think, this is needed really in this case | ||
| 2009-01-21 16:03 <yangoon> because what I call leads is the slight possibilty to get in contact for a deal | ||
| 2009-01-21 16:04 <cedk> yangoon: It looks like what saxa describes | ||
| 2009-01-21 16:04 <yangoon> what saxa described are real sales quotations in my eyes | ||
| 2009-01-21 16:04 <cedk> yangoon: I don't think so because he don't know the price before asking to his suppliers | ||
| 2009-01-21 16:05 <cedk> so for me it is wrong to create a sale order for that | ||
| 2009-01-21 16:05 <yangoon> cedk: AFAIS he is selling spare parts | ||
| 2009-01-21 16:06 <yangoon> it depends on how his customers get in contact with him | ||
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| 2009-01-21 16:09 <CIA-52> tryton: C?dric Krier <ced@b2ck.com> default * 1474:63ff084b0901 trytond/ (5 files in 3 dirs): Add active field on ir.action to allow better override of reports for issue657 | ||
| 2009-01-21 16:10 <CIA-52> tryton: ced roundup * #657/Additional fields of inherited report also created for parent module: [resolved] Fix with changeset 63ff084b0901 Now there is an active field on ir.action, so when you want to override a report, just create a new ir. ... | ||
| 2009-01-21 16:10 <yangoon> cedk: thx, great (for 657) | ||
| 2009-01-21 16:11 <cedk> yangoon: yes perhaps, but I think it can be generic to see the sale quotation like a mini-project | ||
| 2009-01-21 16:11 <yangoon> cedk: yes, that's exactly what I wanted to say | ||
| 2009-01-21 16:11 <cedk> yangoon: I think it is great new feature, it allows to make some funny stuff :-) | ||
| 2009-01-21 16:12 <yangoon> sale quotation/order, from what I understood from projects so far, can be part of the project, but it can be much more | ||
| 2009-01-21 16:13 <cedk> Timitos: ping | ||
| 2009-01-21 16:16 <Timitos> cedk: yangoon: i am still a little bit busy here. | ||
| 2009-01-21 16:22 <cedk> Timitos: it was just to ask you where is udono? There is an issue from him, but I don't have any answer from him | ||
| 2009-01-21 16:23 <Timitos> cedk: udono will be back on monday | ||
| 2009-01-21 16:24 <cedk> Timitos: ok, thx | ||
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| 2009-01-21 17:50 <CIA-52> tryton: matb roundup * #756/Stock: calculation of assignable products: There are in this database currently only unassigned or done packings (no assigned and no ready for shipping) (customer_packings.png). All invento ... | ||
| 2009-01-21 17:56 <yangoon> cedk: just looking at the patch for 657, there is a typo: | ||
| 2009-01-21 17:56 <yangoon> cedk: report_ids = report_obj.search(cursor, user, [], context=ctxt) | ||
| 2009-01-21 17:57 <yangoon> cedk: in trytond/ir/translation.py | ||
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| 2009-01-21 18:26 <cedk> yangoon: fixed | ||
| 2009-01-21 18:26 <CIA-52> tryton: C?dric Krier <ced@b2ck.com> default * 1475:1816b82f430d trytond/trytond/ir/translation.py: Fix typo | ||
| 2009-01-21 18:28 <CIA-52> tryton: ced roundup * #756/Stock: calculation of assignable products: This is not enough. To check, I need all the moves and the records of UOM. | ||
| 2009-01-21 18:40 <cedk> hey guys, did you see this commit from OpenERP: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/%7Eopenerp/openobject-server/trunk/revision/1619.1.2 | ||
| 2009-01-21 18:41 <cedk> I think this is a GPL infringement | ||
| 2009-01-21 18:41 <cedk> because it link GPL code with BSD | ||
| 2009-01-21 18:42 <cedk> what do you think? | ||
| 2009-01-21 18:49 <yangoon> cedk: probably not, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/License_compatibility | ||
| 2009-01-21 18:50 <yangoon> cedk: but it depends what "modified BSD license" means exactly... | ||
| 2009-01-21 18:53 <cedk> yangoon: I know that there was a issue when linux dev grab some BSD code | ||
| 2009-01-21 18:59 <cedk> yangoon: so it seems to be right | ||
| 2009-01-21 19:01 <yangoon> cedk: I think, one has to look very close to the license, it will be a very tedious question | ||
| 2009-01-21 19:03 <yangoon> cedk: http://hg.pybrary.net/pyPdf/diff/5e79c5113089/LICENSE | ||
| 2009-01-21 19:04 <cedk> yangoon: the license of pyPDF is the BSD (3-clause form) | ||
| 2009-01-21 19:04 <yangoon> cedk: in my eyes it is possible as long as it is under GPL then | ||
| 2009-01-21 19:04 <yangoon> but I am really not a lawyer | ||
| 2009-01-21 19:06 <yangoon> cedk: but you are right in that they don't cite Copyright | ||
| 2009-01-21 19:06 <yangoon> cedk: at least I don't see this | ||
| 2009-01-21 19:07 <yangoon> cedk: Redistributions of source code must retain the above copyright notice, this list of conditions and the following disclaimer... | ||
| 2009-01-21 19:08 <yangoon> cedk: so I think they are probably allowed to use it in GPL code, but since they don't cite the copyright, it is an infringement here | ||
| 2009-01-21 19:09 <cedk> yangoon: and is the wiki page up to date with the GPL-3 ? | ||
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| 2009-01-21 19:13 <cedk> yangoon: where do you think they must put the copyright? | ||
| 2009-01-21 19:13 <yangoon> cedk: I think it is the Modified BSD License from http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/license-list.html#GPLCompatibleLicenses | ||
| 2009-01-21 19:13 <yangoon> cedk: and thus it would be compatible | ||
| 2009-01-21 19:14 <yangoon> cedk: just as in every GPL project | ||
| 2009-01-21 19:15 <yangoon> cedk: in obe file they point to or in each file at the beginning | ||
| 2009-01-21 19:15 <yangoon> s/obe/one/ | ||
| 2009-01-21 19:15 <yangoon> have to leave, see you | ||
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| 2009-01-21 21:12 <saxa> Timitos , yangoon , cedk ok thx for the comments | ||
| 2009-01-21 21:12 <saxa> what I want is as follows | ||
| 2009-01-21 21:12 <saxa> for my company if I have the price list of the products I answer immediately to my customer | ||
| 2009-01-21 21:13 <saxa> this can be easily done as its just as issue a normal quote | ||
| 2009-01-21 21:13 <saxa> but what I want is that if I dont have a product registered, or the price list for the products, then that I can create an single list of items | ||
| 2009-01-21 21:14 <saxa> which is then copied and distributed to various suppliers of same parts | ||
| 2009-01-21 21:15 <saxa> I'm saying that this would be good to be made as an prequotation because this list would have just the part numbers , descriptions and quantities | ||
| 2009-01-21 21:15 <saxa> its a kind of RFQ which is already tagged for a ceartain customer | ||
| 2009-01-21 21:16 <saxa> this just because i connect all the inquiries to my suppliers with one single customer | ||
| 2009-01-21 21:17 <saxa> in my work happens that a customer is asking me for some engine parts produced by company A and some undercarriage parts produced by company B,C and D | ||
| 2009-01-21 21:18 <saxa> so when I create that pre-quotation, by selecting categories, the machine should be able to split it also and send the part of products produced by company A to company A and the other part of products been inquired to companies B,C and D | ||
| 2009-01-21 21:19 <saxa> of course people is answering in many different formats, so I dont want to parse the whole world :) | ||
| 2009-01-21 21:19 <saxa> I can put that info in manually | ||
| 2009-01-21 21:19 <saxa> but then if I receive an confirmation from my customer I need to have that info handy | ||
| 2009-01-21 21:20 <saxa> as I need to create the whole bunch of documents out of it | ||
| 2009-01-21 21:20 <saxa> from the suppliers quote I need to be able to take out just some items or confirm the full quote | ||
| 2009-01-21 21:21 <saxa> the program moust keep track then of what was shipped to me and delivered to the customer and what has been not | ||
| 2009-01-21 21:21 <saxa> this is another thing I'm not sure if tryton does | ||
| 2009-01-21 21:22 <saxa> maybe now its more clear | ||
| 2009-01-21 21:22 <saxa> anyway I'm here if somebody wants to ask something | ||
| 2009-01-21 21:22 <saxa> I will try to describe the first part of this thing in a mail to the mailing list. | ||
| 2009-01-21 21:23 <saxa> maybe its better than here ? | ||
| 2009-01-21 21:25 <bechamel> saxa: I think you will have more answers with the mailing list :) | ||
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| 2009-01-21 21:29 <bechamel> saxa: if you want the system to create a list by supplier (with only products available on a supplier) then those products must exist in the system, and what should be done with the lists, send an email ? | ||
| 2009-01-21 21:39 <saxa> bechamel: yes, the inquiries should be sent by e-mail to the suppliers | ||
| 2009-01-21 21:40 <saxa> after receiving back the answers from the suppliers I can enter the prices and then create an quote for the customer | ||
| 2009-01-21 21:42 <bechamel> saxa: so a wizard on the sale order that read the products, and send email should do the trick. | ||
| 2009-01-21 21:42 <bechamel> saxa: the only missing step should be to auto update prices on products forms | ||
| 2009-01-21 21:45 <saxa> bechamel: a wizard is ok also | ||
| 2009-01-21 21:46 <cedk> saxa: I think like bechamel, a status on product that says it must be priced by suppliers, a wizard to send requests for prices to suppliers and a dev to update sale order line price when you set the real price on the product | ||
| 2009-01-21 21:47 <cedk> saxa: and the purchase creation will be created by the scheduler from stock_supply | ||
| 2009-01-21 21:47 <bechamel> saxa: yes but i don't see how this wizard will be aware for which supplier the price should be updated | ||
| 2009-01-21 21:48 <cedk> bechamel: just add a list of potential supplier on the product | ||
| 2009-01-21 21:49 <saxa> cedk: the purchase supply can should be also created if there is no parts in stock | ||
| 2009-01-21 21:49 <bechamel> cedk: there is already a list of supplier on the product | ||
| 2009-01-21 21:49 <saxa> cedk: maybe using a wirtual stock | ||
| 2009-01-21 21:50 <saxa> when I was trying to use tiny, what was missing was a step how to connect this first step, creating a quote to my customer from the suppliers RFQ | ||
| 2009-01-21 21:51 <saxa> or creating a pre-sale-quote and then create the inquiry to the supplier | ||
| 2009-01-21 21:51 <saxa> from it | ||
| 2009-01-21 21:52 <saxa> the connection between sales and purchases workflows has been missing something | ||
| 2009-01-21 21:56 <bechamel> it's difficult to handle a link between the sale and the purchase, sometimes product are availables in stock, sometimes they must be produced. sometimes there is nothing in stock but the time between the creation of the sale order end the requested date is important etc .. | ||
| 2009-01-21 21:57 <saxa> bechamel: I know | ||
| 2009-01-21 21:58 <cedk> saxa: I don't think you must create a purchase order to ask price to suppliers | ||
| 2009-01-21 21:58 <saxa> the only thing really important for my work is to see how to create this sale order from the suppliers qotations | ||
| 2009-01-21 21:58 <cedk> saxa: I think it is an other document | ||
| 2009-01-21 21:59 <saxa> cedk: I create a RFQ | ||
| 2009-01-21 21:59 <saxa> request for quotation | ||
| 2009-01-21 21:59 <saxa> which is ok | ||
| 2009-01-21 21:59 <cedk> saxa: if you want but it is not a purchase in Tryton, it is a new model | ||
| 2009-01-21 22:00 <cedk> saxa: because as you said previously, you only ask for price | ||
| 2009-01-21 22:00 <cedk> saxa: and it is later when your customer agree to the price that you create a purchase order | ||
| 2009-01-21 22:01 <cedk> saxa: so this last purchase order will be created by the stock_supply depending of the stock level | ||
| 2009-01-21 22:01 <bechamel> cedk: saxa: a rfq could do the trick: it will containt a list of (product, supplier, qty) and will provide: creation of purchase, update of prices and creation of sale order (and keep the relation between the sale and the purchases) | ||
| 2009-01-21 22:02 <cedk> bechamel: I don't think you must create a purchase from there | ||
| 2009-01-21 22:02 <cedk> bechamel: and you don't create sale order from this | ||
| 2009-01-21 22:03 <cedk> for me you create sale order and new product if needed and once per day, a wizard create RFQ for all new products | ||
| 2009-01-21 22:04 <cedk> like that you ask only once per day to the supplier | ||
| 2009-01-21 22:04 <cedk> the RFQ has no link to the sales | ||
| 2009-01-21 22:05 <bechamel> when i say rfq i talk about a new model | ||
| 2009-01-21 22:05 <bechamel> which will link sale and purchases | ||
| 2009-01-21 22:05 <cedk> yes, but you must let the scheduler creating the purchase orders | ||
| 2009-01-21 22:06 <cedk> for me a rfq will be only a question to supplier to know his price for the products | ||
| 2009-01-21 22:07 <cedk> it can be a real model or just a report on product that need to be priced | ||
| 2009-01-21 22:07 <bechamel> this is the problem for company that work "on demand" they just relay orders from customers to suppliers, it's a big overhead to handle an inventory just for that | ||
| 2009-01-21 22:08 <bechamel> like some bookshop for example :) | ||
| 2009-01-21 22:08 -!- cristi_an(i=5978d3ce@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-3140676e44e7b1f2) has joined #tryton | ||
| 2009-01-21 22:09 <cristi_an> cedk: is possible on gtk client to control the behaviour of an editalbe table | ||
| 2009-01-21 22:11 <cedk> bechamel: just run the scheduler more often | ||
| 2009-01-21 22:11 <cristi_an> like when i enter something in a cell then to programatically edit else | ||
| 2009-01-21 22:11 <cedk> cristi_an: there is the on_change functionality | ||
| 2009-01-21 22:11 <cedk> ACTION go to lunch | ||
| 2009-01-21 22:12 <bechamel> cedk: the problem is not to create the purchases, the problem is to know what to do when products comes from the supplier | ||
| 2009-01-21 23:02 <vengfulsquirrel> Workflows are triggered via the gtk client right? For example will changing a sale from quotation to confirmed by calling write(...,{'state': 'confirmed'},...) trigger the creation of an invoice and a packing ? | ||
| 2009-01-21 23:04 <bechamel> vengfulsquirrel: no, the client send a signal to the server, then workflow is processed wrt to this signal | ||
| 2009-01-21 23:05 <bechamel> vengfulsquirrel: you can see which signal trigger which transition if you print the workflow | ||
| 2009-01-21 23:05 <vengfulsquirrel> Yeah so I have to run the workflow manually from a programming perspective. | ||
| 2009-01-21 23:05 <vengfulsquirrel> Print the workflow? | ||
| 2009-01-21 23:06 <bechamel> vengfulsquirrel: plugin > execute plugin > print workflow on the sale form | ||
| 2009-01-21 23:06 <saxa> bechamel: cedk: I had asked once Geoff Gardiner if somebody knows him, to create a wizard doing this thing in tiny | ||
| 2009-01-21 23:07 <saxa> but of course the cost was too high fo rmy point of view | ||
| 2009-01-21 23:07 <bechamel> vengfulsquirrel: instead of calling write(...) you will have to call something like wkf_trigger(...) | ||
| 2009-01-21 23:07 <saxa> so if you want I can send to the mailing list the ideas and the conversations we had at the time | ||
| 2009-01-21 23:08 <vengfulsquirrel> bechamel: Okay yeah that sounds easier than calling all the functions manually by reading the xml source. Is the long term plan to have all that open and fully documented? | ||
| 2009-01-21 23:09 <bechamel> saxa: yes this may interest other somebody else | ||
| 2009-01-21 23:09 <saxa> ok | ||
| 2009-01-21 23:09 <saxa> tomorrow I will find out this stuff again and will post it | ||
| 2009-01-21 23:10 <bechamel> vengfulsquirrel: yes i will try to provide more docs in the next months (at least before the nex trelease) | ||
| 2009-01-21 23:10 <bechamel> saxa: ok | ||
| 2009-01-21 23:10 <saxa> ACTION goes to sleep, good night | ||
| 2009-01-21 23:10 <bechamel> saxa: bye | ||
| 2009-01-21 23:11 <saxa> ;) | ||
| 2009-01-21 23:13 <vengfulsquirrel> bechamel: Do you mean trg_trigger ? | ||
| 2009-01-21 23:13 <bechamel> vengfulsquirrel: let me check | ||
| 2009-01-21 23:15 <bechamel> vengfulsquirrel: trigger force the workflow to evaluate the condition on the transitions of the current activity | ||
| 2009-01-21 23:16 <vengfulsquirrel> bechamel: I'm trying to import a sale from an external system and then run it's state from DRAFT to QUOTATION to CONFIRMED. Is that what I would use trigger for ? | ||
| 2009-01-21 23:17 <bechamel> vengfulsquirrel: you need trg_validate, look in sale/sale.py line 836 | ||
| 2009-01-21 23:18 <bechamel> vengfulsquirrel: this code force the workflow of the packing to do the draft->waiting transition | ||
| 2009-01-21 23:22 <bechamel> /force/ask/ | ||
| 2009-01-21 23:30 <vengfulsquirrel> hmm ha that seemed to make it very angry | ||
| 2009-01-21 23:31 <CIA-52> tryton: Bertrand Chenal <bch@b2ck.com> default * 161:da102a316a84 stock_supply/purchase_request.py: Use new stock_skip_warehouse on products_by_location | ||
| 2009-01-21 23:31 <vengfulsquirrel> Oh wait I'm an idiot, nevermind. |
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