| chat.freenode.net #tryton log beginning Wed Dec 31 00:00:01 CET 2008 | ||
| 2008-12-31 00:00 <CIA-10> tryton: ced roundup * #711/Permissions: user with all permissions cannot see Inventory Moves: [need-eg] Is the two users in the same company? | ||
| 2008-12-31 00:01 <CIA-10> tryton: matb roundup * #711/Permissions: user with all permissions cannot see Inventory Moves: yes | ||
| 2008-12-31 00:04 <CIA-10> tryton: ced roundup * #711/Permissions: user with all permissions cannot see Inventory Moves: [testing] If you don't have an access error message, this means that it is model rule that prevent you to see the move. And the only rule on move ... | ||
| 2008-12-31 00:06 <CIA-10> tryton: matb roundup * #711/Permissions: user with all permissions cannot see Inventory Moves: Sorry, no! The second user was in no company at all. Shouldn't this perhaps not be inserted by default when creating a user (at least when there ... | ||
| 2008-12-31 00:22 <CIA-10> tryton: C?dric Krier <ced@b2ck.com> default * 117:1c95350c5157 company/company.py: Add default main_company and company on user | ||
| 2008-12-31 00:22 <CIA-10> tryton: ced roundup * #711/Permissions: user with all permissions cannot see Inventory Moves: [chatting] Done with the changeset 1c95350c5157 | ||
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| 2008-12-31 09:54 <cristi_an> related to reporting in tryton : There is a preint preview possibility that is not editable. (the docs from open office are) | ||
| 2008-12-31 09:54 <cristi_an> ? | ||
| 2008-12-31 09:56 <Timitos> cristi_an: you can use openoffice.interact to create pdf reports | ||
| 2008-12-31 09:56 <cristi_an> gr8 | ||
| 2008-12-31 09:56 <Timitos> cristi_an: if you open an invoice the report is saved and cannot be changed in tryton any more. | ||
| 2008-12-31 09:57 <cristi_an> if will take a look. | ||
| 2008-12-31 10:02 <cristi_an> how do you guys celebrate new year (trytoning) ? | ||
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| 2008-12-31 11:20 <CIA-27> tryton: Timitos roundup * #712/tax computation should be handled on line amount: [new] in the moment tax computation is done on the values unit_price and quantity. in the moment this is the same like computing taxes on amount. ... | ||
| 2008-12-31 11:31 <Timitos> crisit_an: not with tryton but with a nice party ;-) | ||
| 2008-12-31 11:34 <udono> Timitos: Party Module, ha? ;-) | ||
| 2008-12-31 11:35 <Timitos> :-D | ||
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| 2008-12-31 11:45 <CIA-27> tryton: matb roundup * #713/Report Invoice: description of subtotals is not printed: [new] When printing an invoice report the description of a subtotal line is not printed. | ||
| 2008-12-31 11:49 <CIA-27> tryton: Timitos roundup * #714/sale module: some functions not needed?: [new] i think the functions on_change_quantity and on_change_unit are not needed any more as there is now on_change_with_amount function. they sh ... | ||
| 2008-12-31 11:56 <cristi_an> haha :) | ||
| 2008-12-31 11:58 <cristi_an> uduno nice answer on forum thx | ||
| 2008-12-31 12:01 <udono> cristi_an: :-) | ||
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| 2008-12-31 12:07 <cristi_an> sorry i meant to write udono | ||
| 2008-12-31 12:07 <cristi_an> :) | ||
| 2008-12-31 12:28 <CIA-27> tryton: ikks roundup * #715/Website translation to spanish: [new] Attaching file for es website translation | ||
| 2008-12-31 12:29 <ikks> carlos, you are welcome to review that file, is a short one, but is better to have more eyes on it ;) | ||
| 2008-12-31 12:31 <carlos> ikks: I will try to do it, but I guess for a second revision, given that I'm out of time right now and I'm focusing more on the es_ES accounting plan for Tryton | ||
| 2008-12-31 12:31 <carlos> ikks: btw, thanks for your translation work :D | ||
| 2008-12-31 12:31 <ikks> carlos, it's really cool you are working on that. | ||
| 2008-12-31 12:32 <ikks> And if you find errors on the translation on any module or the client, do not hesitate to tell, so we can fix it. | ||
| 2008-12-31 12:32 <carlos> sure thing | ||
| 2008-12-31 12:40 <ikks> carlos, do you have a public repo of your es_ES accounting plan? | ||
| 2008-12-31 12:40 <ikks> I would like to make an es_CO accounting plan | ||
| 2008-12-31 12:44 <carlos> ikks: I didn't start yet with the code itself | ||
| 2008-12-31 12:45 <carlos> I'm reading documentation | ||
| 2008-12-31 12:45 <carlos> to understand how an accounting plan works (from OpenERP) and then investigating the changes required for Tryton | ||
| 2008-12-31 12:45 <carlos> ikks: I will let you know the URL for the repository as soon as I open it | ||
| 2008-12-31 12:46 <ikks> Carlos, take a look at http://mercurial.intuxication.org/hg/account_de_skr03_2008/ | ||
| 2008-12-31 12:46 <ikks> If you understand German, it would be a good guide | ||
| 2008-12-31 12:47 <carlos> I don't understand German | ||
| 2008-12-31 12:47 <carlos> but thank you ;-) | ||
| 2008-12-31 12:47 <ikks> My start was on http://mercurial.intuxication.org/hg/account_co/ | ||
| 2008-12-31 12:47 <ikks> or it's on that place :) | ||
| 2008-12-31 12:47 <carlos> I'm looking at the differences between the fr_BE accounting system in Tryton and the one from OpenERP | ||
| 2008-12-31 12:48 <carlos> ok, thanks | ||
| 2008-12-31 12:48 <ikks> that's it. | ||
| 2008-12-31 12:48 <ikks> We have an OpenERP loc por es_co, so our task is similar | ||
| 2008-12-31 12:49 <Timitos> carlos: i created the account_de_skr03_2008 module. perhaps i can assist you | ||
| 2008-12-31 12:49 <ikks> Timitos offered help me before and is really nice, but I haven't took the time to do what is needed. BTW, thanks Timitos :) | ||
| 2008-12-31 12:49 <ikks> bbl | ||
| 2008-12-31 12:49 <carlos> Timitos: cool, thank you | ||
| 2008-12-31 12:50 <carlos> I will send you my questions, when I start with the code | ||
| 2008-12-31 12:50 <carlos> Timitos: btw, is there any documentation for Tryton? | ||
| 2008-12-31 12:50 <carlos> I only found documentation for OpenERP and it's just a small wiki page | ||
| 2008-12-31 12:51 <Timitos> can you send me the link? so i can take a look. the only documentation for tryton is on tryton website in the moment: http://www.tryton.org/doc/index.html | ||
| 2008-12-31 12:51 <Timitos> but there is nothing about account chart | ||
| 2008-12-31 12:51 <udono> cedk: I have a question to <field name="priority">PRIORITY</field>. PRIORITY=16 seems standard. When I set PRIORITY to 1 then it is evaluated before standard. And when I set PRIORITY to 20 then its evaluated after the standard. Is this right? | ||
| 2008-12-31 12:52 <Timitos> carlos: but it is not very difficult i think. | ||
| 2008-12-31 12:52 <carlos> Timitos: http://openerp.com/wiki/index.php/Developers:Developper%27s_Book/I10N | ||
| 2008-12-31 12:53 <cedk> udono: yes, I think | ||
| 2008-12-31 12:54 <udono> cedk: and the range of the priority, is it integer? | ||
| 2008-12-31 12:56 <Timitos> carlos: it is different in tryton. i think my module can help you. you should also take a look on the objects account.account.template and account.account.type.template and account.tax.template | ||
| 2008-12-31 12:56 <Timitos> carlos: you only need to understand the function of the fields of these objects. then you are able to create the xml for importing the data | ||
| 2008-12-31 12:58 <Timitos> carlos: the bigger challenge i think is to get a good ressource for the account chart information itself. | ||
| 2008-12-31 12:58 <CIA-27> tryton: C?dric Krier <ced@b2ck.com> default * 98:c89fb94edd1f sale/sale.odt: Add description in report for subtotal line | ||
| 2008-12-31 12:58 <CIA-27> tryton: C?dric Krier <ced@b2ck.com> default * 239:ab877365d085 account_invoice/invoice.odt: Add description in report for subtotal line | ||
| 2008-12-31 12:58 <CIA-27> tryton: C?dric Krier <ced@b2ck.com> default * 240:31dfe2e637cb account_invoice/: merge | ||
| 2008-12-31 12:58 <CIA-27> tryton: C?dric Krier <ced@b2ck.com> default * 200:e1642c58fa24 purchase/purchase.odt: Add description in report for subtotal line | ||
| 2008-12-31 12:58 <CIA-27> tryton: C?dric Krier <ced@b2ck.com> default * 201:a6c93e048e6f purchase/: merge | ||
| 2008-12-31 12:59 <CIA-27> tryton: ced roundup * #713/Report Invoice: description of subtotals is not printed: [resolved] Fix with changeset ab877365d085 | ||
| 2008-12-31 13:01 <carlos> Timitos: It depends on the information Tryton needs. The basic information, which is the account numbers and descriptions is published by the Spanish government on their website | ||
| 2008-12-31 13:02 <CIA-27> tryton: ced roundup * #714/sale module: some functions not needed?: [resolved] No, because on_change_{quantity,unit} recompute only the unit_price. | ||
| 2008-12-31 13:03 <Timitos> carlos: sounds good. | ||
| 2008-12-31 13:04 <CIA-27> tryton: ced roundup * #712/tax computation should be handled on line amount: [chatting] I think it is the right way to compute taxes based on unit_price otherwise you will have rounding errors. | ||
| 2008-12-31 13:05 <carlos> Timitos: yeah, the main problem I have is that I'm really new to accounting concepts, so I'm still learning about it, given that my previous experience is only as a basic user... | ||
| 2008-12-31 13:05 <Timitos> carlos: what you need: the account numbers, a balance structure for these accounts, a income statement structure for these accounts, informations about the taxes of your country | ||
| 2008-12-31 13:06 <carlos> I think I have most of that information available and if it's not available in a easy way, I have someone that could assit me | ||
| 2008-12-31 13:06 <Timitos> carlos: ok. in this case it is a little bit difficult as you must understand the interaction of balance, income statement and accounts and taxes | ||
| 2008-12-31 13:10 <carlos> well, more or less I know about it | ||
| 2008-12-31 13:10 <carlos> I handle my taxes as a company since 4 years ago | ||
| 2008-12-31 13:11 <carlos> but I'm sure I don't handle all possible details in all kind of companies | ||
| 2008-12-31 13:13 <udono> cedk: For me it seems not to work with priority on view inherit... | ||
| 2008-12-31 13:14 <CIA-27> tryton: Timitos roundup * #712/tax computation should be handled on line amount: i am not sure about that. need to think about. my problem is that i need to change the compute function on tax object for adding the discount fie ... | ||
| 2008-12-31 13:15 <udono> cedk: I created a view inherit for model party.party with <field name="priority">65535</field> but the company module doesn't inherit it the right way. The company module always makes my vie inherited before the companys view... | ||
| 2008-12-31 13:15 <udono> s/vie/view | ||
| 2008-12-31 13:16 <Timitos> carlos: i think it is enough for starting. but if you want to create a good account chart for your country i think you should work together with a tax advisor of your country or a employee of such a company | ||
| 2008-12-31 13:19 <carlos> Timitos: yeah, that's what I'm going to do once I have the basic part done, she's the one that I said would provide with the missing information | ||
| 2008-12-31 13:19 <Timitos> carlos: great. so i think you will succeed | ||
| 2008-12-31 13:21 <carlos> I hope that :-) | ||
| 2008-12-31 13:23 <CIA-27> tryton: udono roundup * #716/View inheritance priority field seems to be not evaluated: [new] I created on my module party_type a view inherit for model party.party with <field name="priority">65535</field> but the company module does ... | ||
| 2008-12-31 13:26 <CIA-27> tryton: ced roundup * #712/tax computation should be handled on line amount: For me, a discount is just discount on the unit price. | ||
| 2008-12-31 13:28 <CIA-27> tryton: udono roundup * #716/View inheritance priority field seems to be not evaluated: [chatting] S.a. http://mercurial.intuxication.org/hg/party_type/file/ca88d6b16fb7/party_type.xml#l47 | ||
| 2008-12-31 13:30 <CIA-27> tryton: ced roundup * #716/View inheritance priority field seems to be not evaluated: The priority is use with "ORDER BY priority" line 2306 of osv/orm.py And the change on view are made first by the top model. | ||
| 2008-12-31 13:31 <CIA-27> tryton: C?dric Krier <ced@b2ck.com> default * 230:94b89cd1b105 website/ (4 files in 3 dirs): Add spansih translation | ||
| 2008-12-31 13:32 <CIA-27> tryton: ced roundup * #715/Website translation to spanish: [resolved] Applied | ||
| 2008-12-31 13:37 <CIA-27> tryton: Timitos roundup * #712/tax computation should be handled on line amount: so how would you display it on the invoice or sale order then? because if i do it your way the unit price will be the one reduced by the discount. ... | ||
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| 2008-12-31 14:26 <cristi_an> Timitos: in germany there is this difference bettween a warehouse and a shop in terms of how stock is kept ? | ||
| 2008-12-31 14:27 <cristi_an> Timitos: in ro the value of the stock for a warehouse is total values without vat and on a regular shop total value of the stock is price + vat | ||
| 2008-12-31 14:30 <Timitos> cristi_an: i don´t know. i always work with total values without vat. in what case price + vat is needed? what is the business case behind that? | ||
| 2008-12-31 14:32 <cristi_an> i am talking about stock valation i guess this is the english word | ||
| 2008-12-31 14:33 <cristi_an> assume i have a warehouse and 2 shops | ||
| 2008-12-31 14:33 <cristi_an> retail shops | ||
| 2008-12-31 14:33 <cristi_an> in romania there is law that stock valuation on retail shops are price + vat | ||
| 2008-12-31 14:34 <cristi_an> so whan a price is changed on the retail shop there is some operation needed to be done depending if the price went up or down | ||
| 2008-12-31 14:34 <cristi_an> things not needed on a warehose where price is kept without vat | ||
| 2008-12-31 14:35 <cristi_an> in fact....the question is simplier : tryton does make difference between warehouse and a retail shop ??? | ||
| 2008-12-31 14:37 <Timitos> cristi_an: in the moment tryton does not make difference between warehouse and shop. but i think this can easy done as the value would be computed every time you need it. so you only need to add a function field that computes the value including vat. | ||
| 2008-12-31 14:38 <cristi_an> Timitos: this is not valid in germany or belgium or france ? | ||
| 2008-12-31 14:39 <cristi_an> Timitos: becaus in a retail shoip the price include vat so for you it has to be the same i guess | ||
| 2008-12-31 14:40 <Timitos> when do you need this price? is it for sale price. do you mean an invoice with price tax included? | ||
| 2008-12-31 14:40 <Timitos> cristi_an: afk (late lunch) back alter | ||
| 2008-12-31 14:40 <cristi_an> on a retail shop there is no invoce | ||
| 2008-12-31 14:40 <cristi_an> me too...cu you later.. | ||
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| 2008-12-31 14:44 <cristi_an> cedk: is there a possibilit that tryton to be able to work offline ? (in casese that for like 4,5 h the net is down) ...i mean only regular stuff like doing invoiced etc | ||
| 2008-12-31 14:44 <cristi_an> /s/invoiced/invoices | ||
| 2008-12-31 14:50 <CIA-8> tryton: matb roundup * #717/Defaults for salable and puchasable on products created from invoices: [new] I think according to issue 671 it is also preferable to have set the defaults for salable and puchasable on products when created from invoi ... | ||
| 2008-12-31 14:56 <Timitos> cristi_an: tryton cannot yet handle prices with tax included if you mean that. but i think you can simulate this as for accounting you always need net values without tax. so you only need this for the customer perspective i think. or perhaps we talk from something different | ||
| 2008-12-31 14:58 <cristi_an> Timitos: well i will write this on forum. | ||
| 2008-12-31 14:59 <cristi_an> Timitos: meanwhile i am courious about some general things | ||
| 2008-12-31 14:59 <cristi_an> Timitos: does tryton support retail locations | ||
| 2008-12-31 14:59 <cristi_an> ? | ||
| 2008-12-31 15:00 <cristi_an> i need this scenario : a 2 warehose and like 5,6 retail shops | ||
| 2008-12-31 15:00 <Timitos> cristi_an: i would say not yet. tryton is very basic in the moment. there are still some important features missing. but this is normal as the solution is young | ||
| 2008-12-31 15:00 <cristi_an> now on reatil shops there are no invoice | ||
| 2008-12-31 15:00 <cristi_an> or you have such things on kaufland:) ? | ||
| 2008-12-31 15:01 <Timitos> crisit_an: you always can have a bill or something like that in a retail shop. | ||
| 2008-12-31 15:02 <cristi_an> rxaclty the i woudl like to use one tryton's module as a pos | ||
| 2008-12-31 15:02 <udono> cristi_an: bill is the same as invoice. You can create a txt invoice for line printer with 80 chars per line... | ||
| 2008-12-31 15:03 <Timitos> cristi_an: for pos you need a solution for fast encoding or for barcode reading. all these things are not yet available in tryton. | ||
| 2008-12-31 15:03 <cristi_an> udono: no is not at leat in romania : bill has no customer on it , it has the price + vat ,it is paid with cash | ||
| 2008-12-31 15:04 <cristi_an> or credic card | ||
| 2008-12-31 15:04 <Timitos> cristi_an: ok. so now i understand. you make a difference for bill and invoice. bill = price with vat included and invoice = price without tax? | ||
| 2008-12-31 15:05 <cristi_an> Timitos: basically yes | ||
| 2008-12-31 15:05 <Timitos> cristi_an: basically? | ||
| 2008-12-31 15:06 <cristi_an> because there are other differences i mentioned earlier | ||
| 2008-12-31 15:06 <cristi_an> do you get your name on the bill when you do shopping | ||
| 2008-12-31 15:06 <cristi_an> or can you pay ofter 30 days ? | ||
| 2008-12-31 15:07 <Timitos> cristi_an: no. thats clear for me. but this is not a problem. the problem is only price+vat on bill. but i think this can also be handled with a specfic module for that. | ||
| 2008-12-31 15:07 <cristi_an> oki. | ||
| 2008-12-31 15:08 <udono> cristi_an: payment_term and name on bills are just variables. You can create a 'Standard Client' party for this. | ||
| 2008-12-31 15:08 <cristi_an> sure. | ||
| 2008-12-31 15:09 <cristi_an> maybe creating a bill module can solve this problem | ||
| 2008-12-31 15:10 <cristi_an> next to invoice | ||
| 2008-12-31 15:13 <udono> cristi_an: as a simple solution you can calculate the tax included price on the invoice.odt | ||
| 2008-12-31 15:13 <udono> cristi_an: since you have the linwise taxes and the net amount | ||
| 2008-12-31 15:14 <udono> s/linwise/linewise | ||
| 2008-12-31 15:16 <Timitos> cristi_an: if you look on tryton you should keed in mind that in tryton some things are done different compared to other erp solutions. we do not want to copy existing solutions. i recommend to be a little more patient in the beginning. perhaps you will understand some things later if you are deeper in the processes of tryton. | ||
| 2008-12-31 15:22 <cristi_an> Timitos: i have patince...it is not about that :) at all i am learning it it my spare time and hopefully i can contribute to it as well | ||
| 2008-12-31 15:23 <cristi_an> we do not need to copy existing solutions...but we need to provide needed functionality | ||
| 2008-12-31 15:24 <cristi_an> and i will do it for romania.... | ||
| 2008-12-31 15:24 <cristi_an> i wonder if we are indeed different as you (in terms of accounting and stuff) or you did not needed the things i mentioned | ||
| 2008-12-31 15:25 <Timitos> cristi_an: prices with tax included are not my priority in the moment. but pos will be important for us later. so we are not different. perhaps only by priority | ||
| 2008-12-31 15:27 <cristi_an> Timitos: i was thinking IN TERms of accounting. wonder how a company from germany differs from a company from romania | ||
| 2008-12-31 15:28 <cristi_an> there are differences between germany ,france and blegium or even italy or switerland ? | ||
| 2008-12-31 15:29 <Timitos> cristi_an: i don´t know. but we will see. accounting has some differences between all countries but common things are equal i think. so i think we should be able to create a base solution that should work for many countries. perhaps not for all. | ||
| 2008-12-31 15:31 <cristi_an> i keep this in mid. | ||
| 2008-12-31 15:31 <cristi_an> last question...i already putted.... | ||
| 2008-12-31 15:33 <cristi_an> is there a possibilit that tryton to be able to work offline ? (in casese that for like 4,5 h the net is down) ...i mean only regular stuff like doing invoiced etc | ||
| 2008-12-31 15:33 <cristi_an> woudl you find this practical to have ? | ||
| 2008-12-31 15:34 <Timitos> cristi_an: no tryton does not have this function. | ||
| 2008-12-31 15:34 <ikks> cristi_an that's syncing dbs, quite not easy... | ||
| 2008-12-31 15:35 <cristi_an> ikks: not at all... | ||
| 2008-12-31 15:35 <cristi_an> you may provide basic functionality | ||
| 2008-12-31 15:35 <cristi_an> like creating invoices or bills in order not to stop | ||
| 2008-12-31 15:35 <cristi_an> activity if the main activiti is sale | ||
| 2008-12-31 15:35 <ikks> yep, that's a killer feature to have | ||
| 2008-12-31 15:36 <cristi_an> oyu can save those as xml or serailized in a way...and the send them to | ||
| 2008-12-31 15:36 <cristi_an> server side | ||
| 2008-12-31 15:36 <cristi_an> when everythign is oki | ||
| 2008-12-31 15:37 <cristi_an> so no local db is nedeed... | ||
| 2008-12-31 15:37 <cristi_an> just an offline work mode | ||
| 2008-12-31 15:38 <cristi_an> I wish you to all Happy New Year and to have a very productive and healthy year coming ! | ||
| 2008-12-31 15:38 <cristi_an> cu next year :) | ||
| 2008-12-31 15:39 <cristi_an> :P | ||
| 2008-12-31 15:39 <Timitos> cu cristi_an: happy new year to you too | ||
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| 2008-12-31 18:56 <yangoon> cedk: still here? | ||
| 2008-12-31 19:22 <CIA-8> tryton: matb roundup * #718/Names for models: [new] Now that we have translated models, there are some model names like: account.account.open_chart_account.init account.account.open_income_st ... | ||
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